4 weeks on 2 weeks off advice

[WALLY]

ok guys stats 5'8 190lbs(with clothes on) been lifting for 6 years done a few cycles before but whenever i juice my thyroid shuts down when im on to long im not sure exactly how far into the cycle it shuts down so i was thinking maybe 4 weeks on tren/prop and 2 weeks off to let my thyroid recover gimme your opinions on this

 

[JohnnyB]

After those 2 weeks will you start again? If yes, not a good idea. Why don't you just add 25mcg to your cycle

JohnnyB

 

[Behemoth]

For short cycles, I believe most people do 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I don't know. Never did a short cycle myself.

 

[TOOLifter]

For short cycles, I believe most people do 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I don't know. Never did a short cycle myself.

2 weeks on and 4 off???? I'm not so sure. Seems pretty pointless and I've never heard of running so short.

TL

 

[JohnnyB]

The short cycle aren't good, they don't let you fully recover and you don't get much in the way of gains

JohnnyB

 

[WALLY]

im looking for something that will supress my thyroid minimal i figure after 4 weeks it will start to shut down then 2 weeks it will recover what u think i should do then? 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off and keep cycleing it that way? when i add t4 in it just makes me go crazy

 

[Behemoth]

2 weeks on and 4 off???? I'm not so sure. Seems pretty pointless and I've never heard of running so short.

TL

Look on google. There are people that do this. The theory seems to be that the hypothalumus doesn't get supressed until after two weeks... I think. I don't remember it that well, because short cycles didn't really appeal to me, so I had no reason to retain the information. But anyway, so they go for only two weeks, then do post cycle therapy (pct) and supposedly recover very quickly in this manner. Then they take 4 to 6 weeks off and run another cycle. With test prop and other short esters.

 

[TOOLifter]

I for sure believe its a protocol some have used to cycle with, I guess I meant I havn't heard of anybody here on the boards or anyone I know recommend to run so short. I just don't see the point of running so short and stopping before a pronounced anabolic effect takes place. Prop or any other fast acting ester still needs to be run for longer than this to have any real impact IMO. And with all the ancillaries out there- and their widespread availabilty- to help recovery after a longer cycle, why not let the gear do its job for a while and make some noticeable strides in physique transformation? I just find it easier to make and keep gains with a longer cycle and a solid post cycle therapy (pct) with the use of HCG throughout. I have gone both ways, and again, this is only my personal opinion.

TL

 

[WALLY]

bump for more opinions

 

[winger]

bump for more opinions

Here is mine. 14-17 days and no post cycle therapy (pct) and minamal shutdown. Why not try to trick the body?

 

[Behemoth]

I'd still do PCT.

 

[winger]

I'd still do PCT.

In my opinion the cycle is to short to do pct. Once again that is just me. Why take more drugs than you have too?

 

[Rokomuscle1]

I would be interested in seeing the results from these short cycles... Wally, how do you know your thyroid gets shut down?? Is this through bloodwork??

 

[Deepglute]

For short cycles, I believe most people do 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I don't know. Never did a short cycle myself.

You are correct! I did 4 on 4 off for a little over a year and maintained higher LBM with lower BF than any other year since I have been using AAS. The biggest downside for me was the androgen roller coaster ride caused major mood swings. I plan on experimenting with 2 on 4-6 weeks off for a while with a bit lower doses of androgens.

Here is a long on going thread from CuttingEdgeMuscle on the benefits of short cycles: http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2904

 

[drk_diggler]

If I was to run a cycle like that there would definatley be some sort of oral in there..... Probably halo ,drol,or dbol...

 

[Tough Old Man]

ok guys stats 5'8 190lbs(with clothes on) been lifting for 6 years done a few cycles before but whenever i juice my thyroid shuts down when im on to long im not sure exactly how far into the cycle it shuts down so i was thinking maybe 4 weeks on tren/prop and 2 weeks off to let my thyroid recover gimme your opinions on this

This is exactly how Dante of Dogg Crapp Training advises his trainees to do it. For myself I'm on a year long cycle but going 6 weeks on and 3 weeks off and repeating.


Tough

 

[winger]

This is exactly how Dante of Dogg Crapp Training advises his trainees to do it. For myself I'm on a year long cycle but going 6 weeks on and 3 weeks off and repeating.


Tough

What kind of dose are we talking?

 

[Behemoth]

In my opinion the cycle is to short to do post cycle therapy (pct). Once again that is just me. Why take more drugs than you have too?

A short post cycle therapy (pct) could only help. Say, 40 mgs of nolva your first day off, then 20 mgs for the rest of that week, then no more.

 

[winger]

A short post cycle therapy (pct) could only help. Say, 40 mgs of nolva your first day off, then 20 mgs for the rest of that week, then no more.

You might be right, but from my blood work post cycle therapy (pct) did nothing to bring my levels back.

 

[WALLY]

fantom yes i had my bloodwork done before,during,after a cycle and my thyroid was shut down. my t4 levels were extremely low but my t3 levels were high.
i was thinking weeks 1-4 prop 525mg weeks 1-4 400mg tren weeks 1-4 100mg a day drol nolva at 20mg a day test always makes me get gyno. then for the 2 weeks off clomid 6,2,2,2,2,2,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 then start the same cycle again