7 weeks into cycle

[bmunich]

hi guys im new to this forum....1st post

Im 7 weeks into my 1st cycle 500 cyp & 500 deca...very clean diet 3500-4000 cal a day. been workin out for 15 years, always as heavy as i can go, no days off, no lil vaccations or excuses to skip the gym. im 37 5'11 235 when i started with 14-15% BF.
my question to all dudes is, i read all the time about all of those crazy strenght & size gains guys experiense on their cycles, but then when i read their stats they r 170 lb with 2 years of banging only.
i have gained 6-7 lb's only, im stronger on some movements but its nothing crazy 10-20 lbs' on bench & bent over row, same with squads. so the question is am i expecting magic, does the fact i have been workin out for so long and i have reached my natural max play a role in the cycle effect, or what i have gained is normal?

thanks guys

 

[1badmofo]

I would say being close to your natural potential could be a reason for modest gains, but your gains are probably quality and will last. You may be overtraining also. I like your point about the 170lb guys "making huge gains". They are the same ones who care about what their max leg press is. Lots of good info on here for your Post Cycle Therapy. I guess you're probably going for 10-12 weeks cycle?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome to 'ology !!

I'll move this to the Anabolic forum for you......

 

[TheMilkMan]

I would maybe cut back on your training a little bit, i've found that i make the best gains when i train 4-5 times a week, no more...

but like an above post said, your gains are probably real quality, whereas guys who are no where near there natty max and have a long way to go will make tremendous gains quickly from gear... just stick with it and work hard

 

[dolf]

agree.. i make my best gains when training mon, wed, fri. I'm willing to bet that if you don't rest and go as heavy as possible all the time you are overtrained.

 

[bmunich]

thanks guys
....so the gear might not be fake after all ha
i do train 5 times a week, part per day. i feel like i could train 10 times a week

re 1badmofo question.
yes 10-12 weeks...the post cycle therapy (pct) is nolva 25mg a day when needed and clomid for 3 weeks after

 

[Aztech]

i think it's simply over-training bro. No time to recover and grow the max

 

[HeHateMe]

I think it'd be nearly impossible to overtrain while running a gram per week (which IMO is way too much for a first cycle anyhow). I know from the modest cycles that I've run in the past that my body recovers soooo much more quickly while on. It's incredible.

3500-4000 calories is probably not enough! Very few bodybuilders eat enough even though they think they do. Food is the most anabolic substance known to man. Steroids can't work their magic if this factor is lacking.

 

[dolf]

Anabolics do not help you cns recover and if that is not in good shape your body will not grow. The time off is more for the nervous system than the muscles themselves

 

[HeHateMe]

Apparently he's reached 235 lbs naturally training five days per week, 1 part per day. He didn't mention any modifications/increases in his normal volume/workload. I highly doubt he's overtraining.

 

[Stangostrone]

Also the fact that he is 235lbs means that his protein intake well on Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) shoud be awround 352g per day witch we all know is no easy task. You may be lacking in protein witch effects my gains alot.

 

[shivsean]

I want to say that you can't really overtrain per se, but you can certainly under-recoperate, and under-eat. That is more likely your problem.

so bust it as hard as you like in the gym but eat adequately (MINIMUM 1gm protein per pound of bodyweight per day ) and make sure you are carbed up prior to working out. Get some sleep of course.

Muscle growth does have a lot to do with CNS recovery and there is no other way around that except with rest and recoperation.

 

[bmunich]

thnk u all for the replays & input....
re hehateme question...
i think u r right, i def dont feel overtrained, if anything i feel undertrained.....thats since im on the gear...before i could totaly tell when im done for the day.....
i have increased my workouts & volume......from 4 sets to 5 sets sometimes even 6-7....it feels easier than before & i dont need to rest as much between sets, at the end of the day i could still go for another body part.....
i have been thinking about the diet....but the only way to get more cal's into me is by
protein shakes or gainers, its become a chor to eat....i dont know how guys could put down 6-7000 cals a day
if any of u have an idea please advice

 

[Stangostrone]

Supps are supps for a reason when you have reached the max nutriton you can take in by food alone is when adding protein shakes and bars are a big help. I myself supplement my diet with two shakes a day and one protein bar witch gets me up to my ideal nutrition intake. 45gram protein shakes with added oils, bannna's and peanut butter make a good tasting high protein, Good carbs and good fats.

 

[bmunich]

8 weeks in
barely at 240 on the scale.....dont know what think anymore

 

[estray]

how do you feel? Any increase in libido? Any pumps? What brand of gear are you using?

 

[dolf]

If you have stagnated then take my advice and cut the volume back some and increase calories. What does your diet and training routine look like? Maybe cut it back to 3-4 days a week and take an exersize out from each workout

 

[bmunich]

how do you feel? Any increase in libido? Any pumps? What brand of gear are you using?

yes, the sex drive is great i love it...strange cramps in strange places...lats,traps & between my ribs, bad cramps

can i disclose the brand on this board?

 

[Aztech]

yes, you just can't act as a source or disclose how you got it or anything like that.

 

[bmunich]

If you have stagnated then take my advice and cut the volume back some and increase calories. What does your diet and training routine look like? Maybe cut it back to 3-4 days a week and take an exersize out from each workout

the diet is 3 shakes 500-600 cal 45 mg of protein
and 3 - 4 meals 8-9 whole eggs, steak, chicken breasts, salmon usually with broccoli or roasted potatoes, when I eat bread is whole grain
snacks are jerky and cashews

the routine is Monday arms 4 barbell, 4 alt dumbbell, 4 preacher the last one I change every time
Tuesday legs 4-5 squads, 4-5 press, 4-5 one leg extensions,
4 stiff leg deads, 4-6 leg curls
wed - chest 4-5 incline, flat, decline & 4 peck decs or dumbbell fly
thur - back 4 bent over rows, 4-5 row machine, 4-5 wide pull downs, 4-5 close grip pull downs, 4-5 pull ups
Friday cardio & abs
sat - shoulders - 5-6 shoulder pres, 4-5 shrugs, 5-6 lateral dumbbells, 4-5 stand wide grip up right row, 4-5 bent over lateral or rev peck deck

Sunday off or cardio