A HOW TO for: SERM’s, Aromatize inhibitors, Gyno and post cycle therapy (pct) *A must read*
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juced_porkchop
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sounds like they missed part of a gland. ususally once its taken all out you are good from gyno. ( of course i would still use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to keep estrogen levels healthy while on cycle.)
I would rec starting with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) being used, but keep a SERM on hand incase needed if you see a change and an increased Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dos eit not doing it, then add a low dose serm for the rest of duration since you already have some issues.
juced_porkchop
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yep looks good. if anything making post cycle therapy (pct) a combo of tamox and clomid at a lower dosage might be a bit better, but your fine with just clomid if thats your pick.
good luck!
juced_porkchop
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I would stop Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at start of post cycle therapy (pct) since test levels (whats converting to estrogen) should be low since you start post cycle therapy (pct) at this time.
*the reason some studies show (and some think its good for post cycle therapy (pct)) increase in test levels using Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is from less converting to estrogen but thats not the case in post cycle therapy (pct), your Tlevels are messed up/low.
Boltbreaker
WannaBeast
This is all good info! I am about to start taking Arimidex as my AI.. I had a small lump 6mm behind R Nip way back from a Deca only cycle, I was dumb. I was also going to start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) this week at 250iu x2 per week. I hope this keeps me right as I had never had a Gyno issue before the deca only cycle in 2007, That was last cyccle before this current one I am on Day 17 and up to 190 from 184.
BigBadBoyLoo
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Excellent post. Just what the kind of information needed. Well written.
Best post I ve been able fortunate enough to read Juiced.
Thank you.
With so many "if and or buts's", just to be positive here. And I am sorry you are getting a lot of questions. But with such great info comes a good discussion....
Letro from the beginning every 2-4 days or .50ML Week
HERE IS MY QUESTION......AND
As an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), Stane 12.5mg ED?!
Commencing with Clomid or Nolva. ~14 days after cycle
Is this overkill or am I reading this correctly?
Thank you.
With so many "if and or buts's", just to be positive here. And I am sorry you are getting a lot of questions. But with such great info comes a good discussion....
Letro from the beginning every 2-4 days or .50ML Week
HERE IS MY QUESTION......AND
As an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), Stane 12.5mg ED?!
Commencing with Clomid or Nolva. ~14 days after cycle
Is this overkill or am I reading this correctly?
bigben66
New member
I did a 12 week cycle of Test 400 and Deca 300 with Oral D'bol last year and finished up just after New Year...
I STUPIDLY didn't run any PCT and I'm now suffering bad shutdown.
My GP tried me on Testogel sachets with no success and the only thing that seems to help is Cialis...
He has suggested that I run another cycle and then run a strong PCT afterwards which may get me functioning again... he also suggested running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle...
I've managed to get my hands on some Test 400 and Equipoise 300 and have the option of some Anavar orals too.
My plan was to run the Test 400 and Equipoise 300 at 1mg p/w for ten weeks, add the Anavar to tighten up in the last 4/5 weeks.
Could anyone advise me on the best way to run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and a good PCT - bearing in mind my previous problems with the shutdown.
I'm 41, in good shape (see profile pic) and a good level of CV fitness.
Please help!
I STUPIDLY didn't run any PCT and I'm now suffering bad shutdown.
My GP tried me on Testogel sachets with no success and the only thing that seems to help is Cialis...
He has suggested that I run another cycle and then run a strong PCT afterwards which may get me functioning again... he also suggested running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle...
I've managed to get my hands on some Test 400 and Equipoise 300 and have the option of some Anavar orals too.
My plan was to run the Test 400 and Equipoise 300 at 1mg p/w for ten weeks, add the Anavar to tighten up in the last 4/5 weeks.
Could anyone advise me on the best way to run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and a good PCT - bearing in mind my previous problems with the shutdown.
I'm 41, in good shape (see profile pic) and a good level of CV fitness.
Please help!
Very good write up, definitely helps new guys getting on gear to actually know what they are doing. very helpful. Got a few questions though...
First I noticed you didn't mention Arimidex or did i miss it? in which case forgive me and Second what are your opinions/thoughts about using Proviron as a substitute Aromatase inhibitor (AI) even though that isn't what it's amde for? and Lastly the use of B6/cabergolin/Bromocriptine not as an exclusive anti progestin but to help squash any issues brought up?
First I noticed you didn't mention Arimidex or did i miss it? in which case forgive me and Second what are your opinions/thoughts about using Proviron as a substitute Aromatase inhibitor (AI) even though that isn't what it's amde for? and Lastly the use of B6/cabergolin/Bromocriptine not as an exclusive anti progestin but to help squash any issues brought up?
passwordistaco
New member
dumb question but am curious, are serms and AI's in tablet form? if so are they purchasable at a health pharmacy/store?
scottrebel
New member
Dear God I just posted a question about all of this...R.O.F.L.M.A.O.
Next Level
New member
So great to read this again. I'm glad others on this site endorse the idea that one should fully understand every compound that we will be putting into our bodies.
I just started researching at 31 yrs old; I can only imagine guys in their 20's and younger starting AAS based on what their "jacked friend" told them.
I just started researching at 31 yrs old; I can only imagine guys in their 20's and younger starting AAS based on what their "jacked friend" told them.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
thanks guys! glad it helps!
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
This information, collected in to one post is invaluable! Thank you!
I do have a question though....
Now that I better understand the difference between Serm's and AI's and how to use them; how do you know for sure that you are in the optimal range with your AI's during your cycle?
If I were to have blood work done, is there a particular day that would be optimal to test estrogen?
For example, if your cycle was 250mg twice per week Test C and 50mg Tren A EOD; When would be the optimal time to check Estrogen or does it much matter?
OR... by going with your recommended dosage; is it worth even checking??
Thank you again for the awesome info!!
This information, collected in to one post is invaluable! Thank you!
I do have a question though....
Now that I better understand the difference between Serm's and AI's and how to use them; how do you know for sure that you are in the optimal range with your AI's during your cycle?
If I were to have blood work done, is there a particular day that would be optimal to test estrogen?
For example, if your cycle was 250mg twice per week Test C and 50mg Tren A EOD; When would be the optimal time to check Estrogen or does it much matter?
OR... by going with your recommended dosage; is it worth even checking??
Thank you again for the awesome info!!
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