a Real gear users POV on a PH

[shaggz]

I have a question for you guys. In the Prohormone forum, its hard to get straight answers sometimes cause there any many biased answers(the guys who answer are also the guys selling products) so I want you alls point of view on something.

Most PHs are dry compound(hdrol, sdrol - dht derivatives), and dont aromatize a lot or cause much bloat.
Now for guys I know who take real gear, they take and AI to prevent water retention and bloat, if your prone to it from TEST, or maybe running DBOL or deca or something.

A lot of guy in the PH forum are saying an AI(particularly formestane) should be used for post cycle therapy (pct). but it does not make sense to me, why you would need it.
I mean cant it suppress LH and limbido as well? which is completely not what you want from at PH compound that already severly suppresses your sex drive in the first place?

so shouldnt clomid and maybe just a natty test booster aid be better than using an AI?

I dont know if this helps.. but
-hdrol converts to Turinabol
-sdrol converts to Masteron.
so if you ran one those(turinabol or masteron) as a stand alone cycle, how would that post cycle therapy (pct) look? (i dont know if that is applicable to making my question above easier to analyze or answer)

can someone give me some insight or opinions please? thanks!

 

[barrysanders]

Shag- In my experience with PH's (sdrol & hdrol), it DID cause bloating (particularly my face). Remember, a PH IS going to mess with your hormones bringing your estro levels to low or possibly to high. That is what the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is for. To help maintain regularity amongst those levels.

Not saying that you couldn't get by with just clomid or nolva for your PCT. But me personally, I like to be as comfortable as possible during a cycle of anything.

That is my 2 cents!

 

[shaggz]

ok, I understand.
but lets say for a partucular person- it does not cause any bloating at all.
do you still think an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used for PCT?

 

[barrysanders]

ok, I understand.
but lets say for a partucular person- it does not cause any bloating at all.
do you still think an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used for PCT?
Im not looking for perfect answers or explanation..i just want opinions!

I say yes. PH does the same thing as steroids; messes with your natural production of TEST and ESTRO. You need something on hand just in case. Perfect example is just 2 weeks ago for me. My freaking joints were absolutely killing me (read my journal is has pics and everything as well; "Wanna see big gains". I didnt know what the hell was going on. Some how my estro got to low. I got my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) out and did one dosage and a few hours later it was gone.

Thus, you might not ever need it. But if you do need it, your very glad that its there. Plus, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) CAN increase your TEST production when used right.

 

[shaggz]

I say yes. PH does the same thing as steroids; messes with your natural production of TEST and ESTRO. You need something on hand just in case. Perfect example is just 2 weeks ago for me. My freaking joints were absolutely killing me (read my journal is has pics and everything as well; "Wanna see big gains". I didnt know what the hell was going on. Some how my estro got to low. I got my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) out and did one dosage and a few hours later it was gone.

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your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) - was it a suicidal AI? type 1 or 2?

Plus, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) CAN increase your TEST production when used right.

what would be the right way to use it - as far as helping restore HPTA and Lh function, and test production - when should I time the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), if I use one, and for how long?

 

[Natehayes]

I say yes. PH does the same thing as steroids; messes with your natural production of TEST and ESTRO. You need something on hand just in case. Perfect example is just 2 weeks ago for me. My freaking joints were absolutely killing me (read my journal is has pics and everything as well; "Wanna see big gains". I didnt know what the hell was going on. Some how my estro got to low. I got my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) out and did one dosage and a few hours later it was gone.

Thus, you might not ever need it. But if you do need it, your very glad that its there. Plus, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) CAN increase your TEST production when used right.

Very interesting, but I'm confused by the low estro being helped by an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I thought an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would further reduce estro.

 

[Italiano SPO]

I have a question for you guys. In the Prohormone forum, its hard to get straight answers sometimes cause there any many biased answers(the guys who answer are also the guys selling products) so I want you alls point of view on something.

Most PHs are dry compound(hdrol, sdrol - dht derivatives), and dont aromatize a lot or cause much bloat.
Now for guys I know who take real gear, they take and AI to prevent water retention and bloat, if your prone to it from TEST, or maybe running DBOL or deca or something.

A lot of guy in the PH forum are saying an AI(particularly formestane) should be used for PCT. but it does not make sense to me, why you would need it.
I mean cant it suppress LH and limbido as well? which is completely not what you want from at PH compound that already severly suppresses your sex drive in the first place?

so shouldnt clomid and maybe just a natty test booster aid be better than using an AI?

I dont know if this helps.. but
-hdrol converts to Turinabol
-sdrol converts to Masteron.
so if you ran one those(turinabol or masteron) as a stand alone cycle, how would that PCT look? (i dont know if that is applicable to making my question above easier to analyze or answer)

can someone give me some insight or opinions please? thanks!

My short answer is pro-hormones suck and I would never use them or tell anyone to use them. I stay so far away from that stuff I couldn't even tell you the names of most of them. FYI...Formestane is garbage. If you want an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), get Aromasin or Letrozole to accomplish estrogen reduction.

 

[shaggz]

My short answer is pro-hormones suck and I would never use them or tell anyone to use them. I stay so far away from that stuff I couldn't even tell you the names of most of them. FYI...Formestane is garbage. If you want an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), get Aromasin or Letrozole to accomplish estrogen reduction.

i would never bother with formestane. and not all prohormones suck.
i took hdrol( which convert to Turinabol) I gained a solid 15 pounds in a 5 week cycle and kept 95% of it after PCT was complelty done. they are good for building experiece before getting into real gear, which is my plan eventually.

I will rephrase me orginial question..
if someone was to take a stand alone cycle of Masteron, or Turinabol, should that person use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in addition to pct with the SERM?
is Masteron used usually stack with test or ran solo?

 

[legendkiller85]

My short answer is pro-hormones suck and I would never use them or tell anyone to use them. I stay so far away from that stuff I couldn't even tell you the names of most of them. FYI...Formestane is garbage. If you want an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), get Aromasin or Letrozole to accomplish estrogen reduction.

x2 superdrol gave me gyno I even used nolva.I had to cycle letro 2 times to rid it.Prohormones equal shit.