ae clomid and nolvadex interchangable??

fattyfatty2x4

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l just read some artical that said that nolva and clomid do the same thing. but that nolva is better for blocking est and for restoring natural test. has anyone heard this or used clomid for an anti-e? l have a lot of clomids and l want to use some as anti e's if they work.
 
They are both SERMs, but clomid is better at restoring your HPTA. N-dex is better if the clomid messes with you to much!
 
nolva is better than clomid overall...

nolva is better at restarting the hpta and the only thing to help with gyno...

but clomid works well for pct
 
RRAdam said:
nolva is better than clomid overall...

nolva is better at restarting the hpta and the only thing to help with gyno...

but clomid works well for post cycle therapy (pct)
We know that to be absolutely false information. Tag a "IMO" after it from now on.
 
I did everything I could to prove it. studies and everything... so its not opinion... I have some backing.
 
RRAdam said:
I did everything I could to prove it. studies and everything... so its not opinion... I have some backing.


Then post 'em up.........


I think we know what studies you're talking about, and they show Nolvadex being used for very extended periods of time, as in months on end.
 
I have used both for post cycle therapy (pct), together and separate. Alone, clomid worked much better, but the best results were when I used both together
 
I assume you mean the same one I have posted before... the treatment of oligospermic was a 6-9 month study - which proved nolva was better... and the shorter term proving nolva was better was on normal men...

I am looking for more studies on this... nolva does restart the hpta very well though... here is what I have found so far


Treatment of idiopathic and postvaricocelectomy oligozoospermia with oral tamoxifen citrate
Kadioglu, Köksal, Tunç, Nane & Tellaloglu




The FSH, LH and testosterone levels increased in all groups receiving tamoxifen citrate; while FSH levels increased by 50%, LH and testosterone levels almost doubled in normogonadotrophic patients. The hormone level increases were less prominent in hypergonadotrophic men. Semen analysis in all groups showed no change in any variable other than sperm concentration and count. Normogonadotrophic men had a significant increase in sperm count and concentration, while the slight increase detected in hypergonadotrophic men was statistically insignificant.


Tamoxifen citrate is preferred to clomiphene citrate as its oestrogenic activity is practically insignificant Clomiphene citrate is a combination of two isomers and exerts both anti-oestrogenic and oestrogenic effects simultaneously. The oestrogenic effect increases plasma oestrogen levels in men with oligozoospermia and increased FSH levels. Thus testosterone and sex-hormone binding protein synthesis may decline, decreasing spermatogenesis. Because tamoxifen lacks this intrinsic oestrogenic effect, it may be more appropriate to use in male infertility. Although tamoxifen is also a trans isomer, animal and human studies confirm its oestrogenic activity to be minimal or negligible


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MF'N S said:
so will clomid to anything at all to prevent gyno?


It's possible, but that is the one thing where Nolva is proven to do a way better job at, don't even think about chancing it with Clomid.
 
This also leaves me to believe that the reason why there are more side effects with clomid are due to the fact that it is a stronger estrogen than nolva - thus causing the mood swings and whatnot...

though this is more or less speculation.
 
kael9876 said:
will nolva suffice for Sustanon (sust) cycle PCT?
i cannot find Clomid where i live.


Yes, do as follows; Start it 3 weeks after your last injection.
40mg/day for 14 days, followed up with 20mg/day for another 14 days.
 
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