Are steroids pointless for me?..please rspond

[biceptears]

im 21 ish almost 22

and am 5'9 at 180lbs single digit bodyfat?

I was planning on doing a test cycle or 2 when I am 25..I want to be as big as possible that I can maintain forever after PCT...or at least until I reach an age like 35 ish

But I have heard any gains you make of steroids after your genetic limit are lost...

So if I train natty and hard for the next few years I would be very if not at my genetic limit?...

So what is the point of juicing after that if I can only maintain 5lbs?

Alas I started training to young.....

1. So what is your opinions? just stay natty forever now?

currently 5'9 180lbs

Lifts are:

Bench: 400 lbs 2 reps
Squat: 355 lbs 2 reps
Deadlift: 440 lbs 2 reps

I never do max's..sorry.

2. Do steroids build muscle very quickly on their own and does this muscle take a specific shape?

Or do steroids just speed things up?..same results natty but at a faster speed.



When I say I want to be as big as possible my end goal is actually.

5'9 at 205 lbs ripped.....But my lifts just wont go any higher now

so I have 3 years before I will even consider roids...

2. Is it possible to add another 25 lbs natty?

Tips on ways I can do this?......It sucks because I see some of my older friends on AAS look better than me with less effort..



sorry for any ignorance on AAS...Im still learning... still pretty young so some of the more advance guys could probably set me straight.

Been training since 15

 

[biceptears]

Might as well add diet and training:

MON Chest
TUE off
WED Legs/arms
THU off
FRI Back
SAT off
SUN off

Diet.

Meal 1 some fruit/ bowel of cereal
Meal 2 500gr Oats handfull of almonds
meal 3 1 lb of bread with jam/ some more fruit
meal 4 2-3 bowels of legumes
meal 5 can of sardines

^^ Diet sucks im going to address that....im probably only getting about 100 gr of protein a day and to many carbs.

 

[hamidgs]

bro your diet is totaly wrong , you can gain with having better diet, steroid can help building muscle faster , but if your diet isn't right , you might gain very litle.

 

[China_Wall]

well, to start off u are ONLY train 3 days a week??! u don't train shoulders and u train tris/bis in the same session as legs... these are all weak points. So training like u do and only taking in 100grams of protein a day u'll be lucky just to stay where u are.

anytime I see somebody's squat weight lower than their bench press is a concern... so ur saying u can push 4 bills on bench with no help at 180lbs?? that's very impressive if true

and whoever is feeding u the BS about not being about to keep what u gain on cycles is full of shit... this is what proper PCT and diet are for.

if u stick around here u will pick up valuable knowledge and can put together a real cycle when u are ready. Steroids DO NOT build muscle on their own... research is what u need bro

 

[Zeek]

Bicep you are actually correct. When all is said and done and you don't ever use another steroid all that your body will keep is what it is able to hold on to naturally. This varies from person to person and natural testosterone levels play a big role in this as well. Muscle that has been with you for a very long time is also more likely to stay with you.

This is the reason so many of us end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after many years of use. Your body will retain more muscle with test levels around 1,000 than it can with test levels in the 300's.

I'm not contradicting what China_Wall is saying because he is right, I'm just pushing things way past between cycles. I'm talking 3-5 years post cycle and at that time if you never touch another steroid you will only keep what your genetic limit allows you to.

You can alter this through HGH and peptides btw

 

[Long_2010]

Dont even think about steriods. Your diet is shit and your training, they need addressing BIG TIME

some better splits for your training would be

Mon - Chest
Wed - Shoulders and Triceps
Fri - Legs
Sun - Back and Biceps

As for diet..Get in touch with 3J or get into the diet section and follow his free diet advice thread.

 

[DADAWG]

Bicep you are actually correct. When all is said and done and you don't ever use another steroid all that your body will keep is what it is able to hold on to naturally. This varies from person to person and natural testosterone levels play a big role in this as well. Muscle that has been with you for a very long time is also more likely to stay with you.

This is the reason so many of us end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after many years of use. Your body will retain more muscle with test levels around 1,000 than it can with test levels in the 300's.

I'm not contradicting what China_Wall is saying because he is right, I'm just pushing things way past between cycles. I'm talking 3-5 years post cycle and at that time if you never touch another steroid you will only keep what your genetic limit allows you to.

You can alter this through HGH and peptides btw

i aslo feel that longer lower dose cycles allow your body to adjust to its new and bigger size which helps you to retain more gains. theres still a limit but i feel the limit can be manipulated with cycles like this just like you do by using hgh and peptides.

 

[rp2100]

If that sub-par diet has gotten you where you are now, then I don't see any reason why you couldn't gain another 25 lbs over 3 years with a good diet.

As far as keeping gains made while on steroids, this article suggests that you can make permanent changes while on steroids and that you can exceed what you could have achieved naturally.

Anabolic Steroids Provide A Competitive Edge In Power Lifting Years After Doping Has Ended

 

[Osta-Marketing]

Do us all a favor and get your blood work done and heart checked before you begin anabolics. Lastly, if you feel all your genetic potential is maxed out then begin low level cycles like Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) or testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) cycles. To many young kids abuse this at a young age and when they have sudden heart failures it's blamed on steroids. You might have an issue and not know it yet before you get started.

Most important. DIET!

Dont count on the drug count on your diet. Anabolics are the supplements you add in later to assist your training not the magic pill to compensate for lack of diet and training.

Keep us posted and the vet's here will guide you best we can.

Good luck

 

[tactical tachyon]

you can bench more than you squat so you're doing something wrong. but obviously you should just do roids BEFORE you reach your natural max so you can keep those gains

 

[3J]

if you wanna do a cycle and maintain your gains its going to be 110% about your diet... specifically you have to manipulate your diet while on cycle to promote growth and then follow a very specific diet in pct to not only hold on to your gains but promote fast natty test recovery.. there are certain foods that will do wonders for that... then its just simply eating enough to keep what you have on...

as for the advice given above...
1. you could go to my free diet advice thread and read post 1.. ill critique your diet
2. if you wanna get hard core and seriously want my supervision throughout the process you can become a client.. email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com if interested

 

[biceptears]

ok guys thanks for the answers..I think I will do the following.


1. firstly fix my diet.

2. I will fix the way I train ( I change it around very couple of months or so...that is why my current routine is probably crap)

3.See where I am at in 2-3 years...Then get a blood test too see what my test levels are.

4. then see if I need AAS.

* my bench is so high because for the first 2 or so years I was training I only trained my chest and arms.

 

[Jacked27]

Nice troll post. I figured the "please respond" was the start, then I read the diet.
Scurry along kiddie.

 

[hard2gain]

Nice troll post. I figured the "please respond" was the start, then I read the diet.
Scurry along kiddie.

Dude back off it's posts like this that made me not want to post on this forum the first two years I was a member. We've moved way past this the last few months and I think we all enjoy it more now. The kids trying to learn something and better himself with good advice. Why would that deserve to be flamed?

 

[Zeek]

I got taken for a ride a few weeks back when a "concerned mother" made a thread and needing some help for her son. I spent a good hour trying to help her in different ways and it turned ou to be a male Canadian lumber jack with a 3 foot beard

Sometimes it is hard to tell who is for real and who isn't but I think we should give most the benefit of the doubt and really try to help them .

 

[hard2gain]

HAHAHA how did you find out it was a Canadian lumber jack Zeek? And why did he go through all that? Just to be a dick I'm guessing

 

[Jacked27]

This is serious?

Meal 1 some fruit/ bowel of cereal
Meal 2 500gr Oats handfull of almonds
meal 3 1 lb of bread with jam/ some more fruit
meal 4 2-3 bowels of legumes
meal 5 can of sardines

Not a chance anyone eats that crappy of a diet.
400 for reps on bench.
100 grams of protein.
"please respond" in title? <-----look this up if you aren't in the know for internet geek speak, it's the new phrase the kiddies play with as a joke.

Again, this HAS to be a troll.

 

[UserAt204]

Well I had a buddy that could bench this type of weight at a similar size. Hell at 135-145 I saw him putting up 315. My bench sucks and I'm much bigger than him but some guys are just designed to bench.

I agree with everyones posts and Dawg kind of hit my theory that longer cycles for me seem to help my body acclimate to the new weight. I'm not huge by stretch of the imagination but when I blow up and hit 240+ in 10-12 weeks I drop a lot of it just as fast.

Bicep your diet needs major changes. You eat like my 8 yr old girl. That's not an insult, just saying you need food to grow. Even if you are keeping bf low you need cals and protiens to increase size.

I'm at 4500 cals right now with a combination of supplements and I'm not blowing up, I'm maintaining and hopefully slowly growing. Your diet is maybe 1/3.

3J could really help you maximize gains by manipulating diet. Continue natural for a few more years to build a solid foundation, which spounds like you are doing well, and this will prepare you when you do decide to cycle. Strong tendons take time without gear. Jump on too soon and you will end up injured like many do, myself probably included.

I have 40+ lbs on you, 3-4 inches and you probably have a better bench. Lol.

 

[Zeek]

Good point Jacked! I only read his initial post. That diet is insane! It might be the lumberjack up to his old tricks

Hard2gain

Balboa270 told me, I guess he had the inside scoop!

 

[biceptears]

O.....no I am serious..LOL!

sorry I don't want to be seen as a troll my lifts are all legitimate like I said I have been lifting a long time.

I would post a link to my lifts but really don't want someone to trace it back to a steroid forum.


*edit

jacked27 That is serious...I have been eating less because im currently on a cut diet.

I know I have to change my diet...normally I eat the same diet but in larger quantities.

I do so for financial reasosn....This will change like I said.

If anyone is interested I made my gains through mostly pure intensity (example when I lie back on the bench I give 110% effort to lift it) for 3-4 reps.....I don't just go through the motions