Barry's New steroid Cycle Thoughts????

[barrysanders]

Hey guys, As a few of you might know already from my log, I'm about to start my next cycle in a few weeks (waiting on a doctors appointment which is on the 3rd Feb-seeing if I can get on BY Presription all year around).

Anyways, I bought my gear during my last cycle.

This is what I'm thinking.

Sust 1-16 wks, 700mgs, Split EOD 175mgs
Deca 1-15 wks, 500mgs, Split Monday/Thurs
Oral Tren 1-4 wks, 500mcg, split
Aromasin 1-16 wks, 18.5-25mgs (as needed)
Prami 1-16 wks, .25-1mg EOD
GHRP 1-16 wks

HCG 1-15 wks, 1,000ius, split Monday/Thursday. BLAST weeks 15&16 500ius ED.

PCT: Clomid 150/150/100/100
Nolva 50/50/50/50

*I still need to get the HCG. This will be something new for me so any tips would be fantastic. Do I use regular 3cc needles or insulin needles (I'm guessing since its an intramuscluaar shot that 3cc needles is needed).

*Also, new with Prami. EOD at that dose sufficient????

If you need to read up on my past cycles I have a journal called "wanna see big gains" in the log section. That should tell you most of everything that you will need to know.

Thanks for all the input!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rougen123]

Why 700mg on the sust? Whats it dosed at? I figure its 250right? Why not just go 750mg? I can't remember wether or not you've run deca before? Are you sure your body is ready for oral tren again dude? Your liver? My cholesterol is totally fucked cause I'm on tren. Can I ask why you leave such fluctuation in your prami dose? Only trying to help you think this all out bro

 

[barrysanders]

Why 700mg on the sust? Whats it dosed at? I figure its 250right? Why not just go 750mg? I can't remember wether or not you've run deca before? Are you sure your body is ready for oral tren again dude? Your liver? My cholesterol is totally fucked cause I'm on tren. Can I ask why you leave such fluctuation in your prami dose? Only trying to help you think this all out bro

Rougen- Thanks for the response. I'm going with 700mgs total each week due to the fact that the Sust I have is dosed at 350. This will be my first Deca cycle. As for using OT, thats what the Doctor visit on the 3rd of Feb is for. If the results come back that everything is kosher I'll run the OT at the beginning & end of the cycle. I like OT a lot better thenn Dbol or any other oral that I have tried in the past years.

What would you recommend for the Prami dosages??? I got my dosage and timing from The-Det-Oak's knowledge (he had responded to some threads and seems very knowledgeable on the subject and has never steered be wrong yet...lol). If you have any hindsite on ways that I could do the Prami different I would love to hear it. Also, what did you think about the HCG dosages???

Thanks for double checking my cycle R. I appreciate any and all feeback.

 

[Massive123]

That's a lot of deca & tren...might shut you down pretty hard... Any experience w either in the past? Even w that test... I might run a little less deca depending on your experience and or way you respond to it just incase

 

[g2272]

*I still need to get the HCG. This will be something new for me so any tips would be fantastic. Do I use regular 3cc needles or insulin needles (I'm guessing since its an intramuscluaar shot that 3cc needles is needed).

I don't go intramuscular with hcg.. Just pinch a bit of belly and put it in there..
Im using 29g slin pin but Im only doing 250 ius doses EOD which is 0.5cc per shot for me.
I would say 3cc syringe with 5/8 inch 29g needle would be best for 500ius doses (that's if you are mixing it at 500ius per cc) as the slin pin plunger is a bit awkward when the barrel is completely full but either way is fine..
29g needle is perfect for it.. Literally takes seconds to draw and inject..

I would check what you get when you buy the hcg.. I didn't get water with mine so had to buy it seperately and also get some 10cc sterile vials.. The way I did it was draw 1cc of water and inject into the hcg vial (5000 ius) and shake it , then draw all that out and inject into sterile vial.. Draw 9cc of water and inject into the sterile vial , shake it and there's your 10cc of hcg dosed at 500ius per cc..

I think that's the standard way of doing it but if not somebody will correct me..

 

[Rougen123]

Rougen- Thanks for the response. I'm going with 700mgs total each week due to the fact that the Sust I have is dosed at 350. This will be my first Deca cycle. As for using OT, thats what the Doctor visit on the 3rd of Feb is for. If the results come back that everything is kosher I'll run the OT at the beginning & end of the cycle. I like OT a lot better thenn Dbol or any other oral that I have tried in the past years.

What would you recommend for the Prami dosages??? I got my dosage and timing from The-Det-Oak's knowledge (he had responded to some threads and seems very knowledgeable on the subject and has never steered be wrong yet...lol). If you have any hindsite on ways that I could do the Prami different I would love to hear it. Also, what did you think about the HCG dosages???

Thanks for double checking my cycle R. I appreciate any and all feeback.

Ahh then that would make total cents. I knew you had some reason for 700mg. As for the prami haha bro. First time I started running that stuff I had just gotten into a relationship with my girl, I was taking the shit in the AM christ that was a mistake. I'm sure you've seen the pukin prami thread or other stuff by macro? The prami had me feeling like I had just eaten so much food I was going to puke constantly, to much water and I thought I was gonna lose it. Haha I entirely thought it was cause I had butterflies in my stomach about my girl man lmfao go figure. I take .5ml ED 30min before bed if I can remember, usually I end up taking it immediately before.

 

[barrysanders]

I don't go intramuscular with hcg.. Just pinch a bit of belly and put it in there..
Im using 29g slin pin but Im only doing 250 ius doses EOD which is 0.5cc per shot for me.
I would say 3cc syringe with 5/8 inch 29g needle would be best for 500ius doses (that's if you are mixing it at 500ius per cc) as the slin pin plunger is a bit awkward when the barrel is completely full but either way is fine..
29g needle is perfect for it.. Literally takes seconds to draw and inject..

I would check what you get when you buy the hcg.. I didn't get water with mine so had to buy it seperately and also get some 10cc sterile vials.. The way I did it was draw 1cc of water and inject into the hcg vial (5000 ius) and shake it , then draw all that out and inject into sterile vial.. Draw 9cc of water and inject into the sterile vial , shake it and there's your 10cc of hcg dosed at 500ius per cc..

I think that's the standard way of doing it but if not somebody will correct me..

G- Thanks for the tips. I have a bunch of 29g pins laying around (200) since I was using them for the GHRP injections last cycle. I will use them and inject subQ for the HCG. I also have some BW left over. I'll have to check and see what the shelf life for BW is.

 

[barrysanders]

Ahh then that would make total cents. I knew you had some reason for 700mg. As for the prami haha bro. First time I started running that stuff I had just gotten into a relationship with my girl, I was taking the shit in the AM christ that was a mistake. I'm sure you've seen the pukin prami thread or other stuff by macro? The prami had me feeling like I had just eaten so much food I was going to puke constantly, to much water and I thought I was gonna lose it. Haha I entirely thought it was cause I had butterflies in my stomach about my girl man lmfao go figure. I take .5ml ED 30min before bed if I can remember, usually I end up taking it immediately before.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to those sides of the Prami. However, I have read time and time again about how Prami increases the sexual experience (harder/longer orgasms), and that is the second part of the reason why I chose Prami over other alternatives. I'll start off with a low dose and work my way up as needed with the dosages.

You still with the girl???????

 

[barrysanders]

That's a lot of deca & tren...might shut you down pretty hard... Any experience w either in the past? Even w that test... I might run a little less deca depending on your experience and or way you respond to it just incase

Massive-what is your recommendation for the lowered Deca dosage??? I'll keep all comments under consideration if it makes sense.

I came up with my dosage just from looking around and finding what others have done in the past that worked, plus, research that emphasizes dosages for Deca.

I have heard and read that anything under 250-300 is just a waste..do you concur??? Also, I was going by Body Weight; 2x's BW ='s dosage for Deca. Thoughts???

Thanks for the feedback. Like I said this WILL be my first time with Deca.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum......

 

[glubgawd]

Massive-what is your recommendation for the lowered Deca dosage??? I'll keep all comments under consideration if it makes sense.

I came up with my dosage just from looking around and finding what others have done in the past that worked, plus, research that emphasizes dosages for Deca.

I have heard and read that anything under 250-300 is just a waste..do you concur??? Also, I was going by Body Weight; 2x's BW ='s dosage for Deca. Thoughts???

Thanks for the feedback. Like I said this WILL be my first time with Deca.

Running oral tren with deca isn't the same as running deca with tren e/a. You won't see the same kind of side effects. I probably wouldn't change the deca dose if I were you.

oral tren is a kick in the face. I've been running it instead of halotestin my past few cycles. Really liking it.

 

[Steroidologist]

you dont mean finaplix by oral tren do you?

 

[RJ]

you dont mean finaplix by oral tren do you?

no.

Barry, i've never done oral tren. But test/deca is by far the best mass stack on the planet IMO.

i wouldn't change the dose either. Just keep an eye on the sides from the 19nors. Deca doesn't aromatize, but alot of sides from increased prolactin can mimic estro sides, hence the bloating i hear everyone always bitching about.

this should be your body comp cycle, so really focus on eating enough good kcals and putting the work in. Don't overdo it in the gym with a bunch of volume either. I knwo I'm a low volume guy, but i say that only because it makes you joints feel so good that its easy to overdo it by doing more.

Good luck and keep us posted. if i was to ever do another get big cycle, it would be that. You need nothing else.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Looks good to meonly thing I can say is its gonna be tough waiting that long for PCT, I myself would throw prop in at the end so I could come down easier

 

[barrysanders]

no.

Barry, i've never done oral tren. But test/deca is by far the best mass stack on the planet IMO.

i wouldn't change the dose either. Just keep an eye on the sides from the 19nors. Deca doesn't aromatize, but alot of sides from increased prolactin can mimic estro sides, hence the bloating i hear everyone always bitching about.

this should be your body comp cycle, so really focus on eating enough good kcals and putting the work in. Don't overdo it in the gym with a bunch of volume either. I knwo I'm a low volume guy, but i say that only because it makes you joints feel so good that its easy to overdo it by doing more.

Good luck and keep us posted. if i was to ever do another get big cycle, it would be that. You need nothing else.

Thanks RJ. My last cycle I did high volume and high weight and felt the effects. This time around I will take your advice and go low volume highest weight possible. Also, last cycle I ate whatever whenever just to get to my 4,000+ calorie mark. This time I want to gain as much lean muscle as possible (still trying to get a few pounds of fat off from previous cycle). I would like to compete in a show by the end of June so we'll see how it goes.

 

[barrysanders]

Looks good to meonly thing I can say is its gonna be tough waiting that long for PCT, I myself would throw prop in at the end so I could come down easier

Good point. What weeks do you think is best to start the prop???

Also, I guess I need to rethink using the Nolva with this Deca cycle as I know it could cause more harm than good.

 

[RJ]

Good point. What weeks do you think is best to start the prop???

Also, I guess I need to rethink using the Nolva with this Deca cycle as I know it could cause more harm than good.

all that Nolva shit is garbage. But i would try Tore Citrate just because its better IMO, esp with the Deca.

I would add the Prop in on your last week of LE test. Some will say wait until the next week, but i like an overlap if i do a walk off. Up to you.

And make sure to still add your cheats. Theres no such thing as LEAN muscle. Muscle is muscle. If you get fat its your fault. lol

Eat good but add your cheats and you will see awesome results. Plus its not nearly as boring as clean eating 24/7

 

[howdyduty05]

Looking forward to following your new cycle

 

[Italiano SPO]

Hey guys, As a few of you might know already from my log, I'm about to start my next cycle in a few weeks (waiting on a doctors appointment which is on the 3rd Feb-seeing if I can get on BY Presription all year around).

Anyways, I bought my gear during my last cycle.

This is what I'm thinking.

Sust 1-16 wks, 700mgs, Split EOD 175mgs
Deca 1-15 wks, 500mgs, Split Monday/Thurs
Oral Tren 1-4 wks, 500mcg, split
Aromasin 1-16 wks, 18.5-25mgs (as needed)
Prami 1-16 wks, .25-1mg EOD
GHRP 1-16 wks

HCG 1-15 wks, 1,000ius, split Monday/Thursday. BLAST weeks 15&16 500ius ED.

PCT: Clomid 150/150/100/100
Nolva 50/50/50/50

*I still need to get the HCG. This will be something new for me so any tips would be fantastic. Do I use regular 3cc needles or insulin needles (I'm guessing since its an intramuscluaar shot that 3cc needles is needed).

*Also, new with Prami. EOD at that dose sufficient????

If you need to read up on my past cycles I have a journal called "wanna see big gains" in the log section. That should tell you most of everything that you will need to know.

Thanks for all the input!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to take Pramipexole ED and it needs to be titrated up and down. No need to frontload Clomid. I'd just go 50mg ED for 4 weeks. Also, if you are taking Nolva, I've never seen 50mg tabs but in any event, I'd do 40/40/20/20 with the Nolva if you are running it next to Clomid in post cycle therapy (pct). As long as the Deca has cleared, I would be ok using Nolva but I wouldn't risk it on cycle just because of the possability of it upregulating progesterone receptors. Look up my thread on Pramipexole dosing. Sides can be bad if you don't work your way up and down and keep it on a daily dosing regiman.

 

[barrysanders]

HMMM...I'm thinking about switching my cycle from a bulk (deca) to a more lean cycle (trenE or EQ or Winnie). I haven't quite decided 100% yet. I'm wanting to get as lean/cut as possible for the Summer I think.

Any input would be great. I'll post some pictures that way you guys can get a good idea what i'm dealing with.

I think it would be hard to stay lean with the Deca even with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout. Thoughts????