Best kickstart for size?

Im torn between dbol (with nizoral/spiro as a hairloss defense), phera, and mdrol. Ive heard tbol is good but not the greatest kicker as it takes longer to kick in. Decisions, decisions..
 
i personally dont care for tbol, but i like things that give big gains, water or not.

Tbol did not get me pumped for the gym, and that is important to me with any oral

Then dbol and drol are his only real options when it comes to orals if its jsut size. But if hes worried about hair loss Tbol, it has very little water retention and i havent really read anything about hair loss with it. But i agree i defintly liked dbol more then tbol.
 
hey, just wondering what oral kickstart youve had the best results with (and maintained) for size on test e cycle? I was thinking dbol but am worried about hair loss, what do you guys think about kicking it with either p-plex or mdrol? Beginning to plan my first cycle for 2012.any other suggestions are welcome

food!!!
 
Im prone to hairlose and didnt lose any while running dbol up to 60mg.

I did end cycle early due to BP issues though.
 
Cross I'm the same way, prone to MPB, and I didn't have any loss on a 5 week 50mg cycle. With that said I have been on finasteride/dutasteride for over a year so I'm assuming that helped. Just can't use finasteride if using deca. The rogain foam is also good. I think better than all the liquid minoidil topicals and I got 3 months worth at the local grocery store for 50.
 
Great Tbol Experience

Hey Cross88. Look bro, before I knew anything about anything about aas, i just knew that i had been working out for a couple years, had gone from being 6'1" and 125 lbs as a crackhead/heroin addict. Got off that crap and started to lift. 2 years later, I had spent some time in the clinker and they had weights in there (just a few machines, but we improvised). I managed to gain almost 50 lbs, up to 171, then when I was released I was at about 165. However, due to the lack of quality protein available in jail, I was eating a lot of fat and carbs, so a lot of the weight I gained was fat. I clearly got bigger, shoulders much wider, chest thicker, arms bigger, etc.
So I get home, join a gym, and decide I'd try some aas. Was scared of injecting at first, so thought I'd just try an oral for maybe 4 weeks and see what happened. had always heard of d-bol, so I went on a site that I will not name, but was not one that anyone would ever EVER recommend. I got 40 50mg tabs of d-bol. Started to take it and was not really feeling ANYTHING. I found this 'Ology site and learned quickly I didn't know what I was doing, AT ALL! So I did what we all should do, which is learn and research and talk to others with more experience and knowledge. Found a good site to get stuff from and read about T-Bol. I liked the idea of less bloat, so I ordered some GP T-Bol along with some Test E, starting at 40mg of T-Bol per day and 500mg of Test E (2 shots per week of 250mg each shot). By day two, the T-Bol was giving me INSANE pumps in the gym. I was mowing the lawn and the lower back pumps I got made me take frequent breaks cause it was so painful. The d-bol i had gotten may have been bunk, i.e. fake, but the site claimed that they were made by a reputable manufacturer and that no one had complained before about them. Not like they would tell the truth anyways with no motive to do so.
I've rambled on enough already, so let me say that T-Bol was a great experience. My libido shot up quickly, my pumps and strength went up instantly. I had ordered 100 10mg tabs of the T-Bol, so I ran ir at 40mgs/day for 25 days.and it allowed me to ease into the Test E when it started kicking in around week 3 for me.
All in all, I had started my cycle at 152 lbs, ended it at 172 lbs, but due to injury and illness and maybe not the best PCT regimen, I've essentially lost it all over the last year.
Final Say: T-Bol seems safer to me than D-Bol...no bloat/water retention as it doesn't covert to estrogen, no gyno problems from it, but as with an harsh oral, take some liv-52 leading up to it, while u r on it, and a couple weeks afterwards, just to be on the safe side. Cheers and be safe dude! Knowledge is power and aas are VERY VERY powerful substances! Even with a recommended PCT protocol as outlined by many people on this site, I still was depressed and lethargic when my cycle ended and all the test started to leave my system. It took a while, even with post cycle therapy (pct), for my nads to start kicking out the natural test again. I'm going with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for sure next time!
 
What do you guys think about adding t-bol to the last 4-6 weeks of a test cycle to try and harden up the gains?
 
I'm totally against d Bol that shit had me fucked up(short of breath and heart racing) I wouldn't do it again... Test p for two weeks to start up your cycle man... Stay away from that shit. I had less sides with tren.
 
I'm totally against d Bol that shit had me fucked up(short of breath and heart racing) I wouldn't do it again... Test p for two weeks to start up your cycle man... Stay away from that shit. I had less sides with tren.

OMFG, now dbol has more sides than tren, who the fuck is this guy anyway?:flipoffha
 
OMFG, now dbol has more sides than tren, who the fuck is this guy anyway?:flipoffha

lol i would never ever say tren has less sides than dbol, but strangely dbol made me shed hair like mad and tren (ace) did nothing at all to my hair. Only thing i changed between those cycles was switching from 5% minoxidil to 15%, i've been wondering if that's what the difference is. I have a pack of geneza dbol left, thinking about testing my theory

also used tbol recently, decent strength gains, wasn't very impressed with anything else, but no sides at all. If you're concerned about hairloss i honestly thing tbol is the safest oral you can use (even over var for some people)
 
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