Better For Body Compositon - Anavar (var) or Hgh?

[Xtreme57]

Better For Body Compositon - Var or Hgh?

I'm just looking for results here guys. I am only interested in which would produce a better end result in overall body composition, say a 8 week cycle of Anavar (var) or a 6 month cycle of Hgh?

Cost is not an issue and test will not be used in conjunction with either (although I know it would help both, I won't be able to use it.)



Thanks!

 

[Xtreme57]

anyone?

 

[lcgator]

Ive heard you should stay on GH for a whole year in which time you could obviously loose more weight. Anavar (var) would probably be faster though.

 

[wannagetbigga]

dont know about Anavar (var) but gh definitely works if used for an extended time (> 1 yr)

 

[Trevdog]

I would expect better results on body comp from a 6 month cycle of hgh, but it depends on a lot of things, especially doses.

 

[Biggin]

I agree with Trevdog 100%.

 

[Xtreme57]

I would expect better results on body comp from a 6 month cycle of hgh, but it depends on a lot of things, especially doses.

Well lets saying average does being 3-4 iu of hgh vs 50-75mg var.

As I said, I'm just looking to even out my body. My f-ing arms and shoulders just can't catch up to my back/chest and I know it's said a lot, but I honestly have tried everything.

Beyond that my body just does not like to give up fat w/o a VERY restricted diet ~1000 cal a day and 90min cardio. But as you can imagine that produces a very catabolic environment that destroys most of the gains I make muscle wise trying to solve the first issue.

So can I expect either of these to help with both of these dilemmas?

 

[Shaptown]

i would restrict calories and up the cardio like that only while on AS. If you were to run:
100mg prop EOD
75mg Tren EOD

You would definately strip the body fat. Throw some Anavar (var) into that mix and its a very nice cycle. Make sure if you do run this however, that you run the prop one week longer than the Tren.

This is all of course assuming that you are an advanced AS user and that you are ready for tren.

 

[Trevdog]

Well lets saying average does being 3-4 iu of hgh vs 50-75mg var.

As I said, I'm just looking to even out my body. My f-ing arms and shoulders just can't catch up to my back/chest and I know it's said a lot, but I honestly have tried everything.

Beyond that my body just does not like to give up fat w/o a VERY restricted diet ~1000 cal a day and 90min cardio. But as you can imagine that produces a very catabolic environment that destroys most of the gains I make muscle wise trying to solve the first issue.

So can I expect either of these to help with both of these dilemmas?

Well, no. Of course no steriod or hormone is going to be a "smart bomb" that will get your arms and shoulders to catch up with your chest. I haven't been able to effectively bring out lagging body parts.

Anavar will of course do much more to produce anabolism - it would help to bring up your arms and shoulders. GH really isn't anabolic, at least it isn't a real factor in bodybuilders who use steroids.

GH will do much more to improve fat burning. Anavar does have an effect on fat burning, but it is pretty subtle.

I'm not buying into the theory that your body doesn't like to lose fat unless you go on a severe caloric deficit and do a lot of cardio. Sure, I can believe that you have to do that to really notice the progress, but if you create a caloric deficit, get in enough protein, and get your exercise in - your body will have to shed fat, it won't have a choice.

Whatever you decide to do regarding GH or anavar, I'd suggest trying some HIIT (high intensity interval training) for at least some of your cardio. It's great for getting lean.

 

[j6237]

IMHO, test w/o GH is a waste of time AND money.. And I think to REALLY see the "full" benefits of GH you need to consider a years or more worth of use. Again, you should run test with it and if on for long term, T3 would be needed. I am not saying your cant do it, you can, but you are only going to get half the results and spend 2x the amount of money. Not to mention unless you getting it from a pharma you will never know how it was prepared or stored, there for you may spend a lot more money and not get good results.. To that end, I would say Anavar (var) and I think I would run it for longer than 8 weeks and I (personally) wouldn’t run it alone.. But again, as I stated at the beginning this is “IMHO”…

With that, to "bring up you arms" I do not think the above is the right answer simply because I cant tell Anavar (var) or GH to just build arms, you are gonna get total overall growth with 99% of AAS or GH. Meaning your back and chest are going to grow as well..

Here is where I would start and save the $ for a proper cycle..

If you haven’t done so, try changing your w/o routine that emphasis the use of your arms and less emphasis on you shoulders.. See, I don’t think its your "chest" that’s too big I think its your shoulders.. I say that because 85% of people have over developed front shoulders and by doing less in this muscle group will naturally bring up the other parts..

I have pretty decent shoulders and I haven’t done any kind of "pressing" movement in years.. In fact, I don’t really do shoulders as a routine, I simply work the side delts in my chest routine and rear delts in my back routine.. Keep in mind, I have 17 years of training and I only really started to figure this out about 5 years ago.. Take it from us mid 30 year olds- we already made many mistakes..

Look, I am guessing here so please understand that all the above may not apply but based on what I see in the gyms, I would start with the analysis of what body parts are over and under developed and target the under for a few months and track your progress....

Don’t worry your chest or back isnt going to shrink, your underdeveloped arms are more "your" issue, they are probably fine… Unless your slacking and not training the hard enough but I suspect this isnt the case..

Its probably just that you don’t spend as much time on the other muscles,, other than chest and back. I know this because I did it as well....

Hope this helps,


j

 

[j6237]

Ohh, and EAT... 1000 cals a day??????? Bro, unless you a freak of nature and your body doesnt work like the rest of ours, (and i suspect it inst) you gotta eat pal..

For christ sakes, a well balanced diet or 85% protein diet will work just fine but you gotta eat...

I think nicole richie eats more than that..

I say all of this respectfully...

j

 

[Xtreme57]

Well, no. Of course no steriod or hormone is going to be a "smart bomb" that will get your arms and shoulders to catch up with your chest. I haven't been able to effectively bring out lagging body parts.

Ana Anavar (var) will of course do much more to produce anabolism - it would help to bring up your arms and shoulders. GH really isn't anabolic, at least it isn't a real factor in bodybuilders who use steroids.

GH will do much more to improve fat burning. Ana Anavar (var) does have an effect on fat burning, but it is pretty subtle.

I'm not buying into the theory that your body doesn't like to lose fat unless you go on a severe caloric deficit and do a lot of cardio. Sure, I can believe that you have to do that to really notice the progress, but if you create a caloric deficit, get in enough protein, and get your exercise in - your body will have to shed fat, it won't have a choice.

Whatever you decide to do regarding GH or ana Anavar (var) , I'd suggest trying some HIIT (high intensity interval training) for at least some of your cardio. It's great for getting lean.

I apologize as coming across poorly. Am I saying that with a sufficient calorie deficit my body will not lose weight? NO. It is a pain in the ass, but does not defy science.

What I was trying to say is that it takes a long time for me to lose weight the right way, and unfortunately some of the weight I lose ends up being muscle that I so desperately need on my arms/shoulders.

I should have simplified my question by asking if ana Anavar (var) or GH will provide an increase in size in musculature at all? I know Anavar (var) is to a degree, but I'm still hazy about GH? I know it's not nearly as anabolic as juice, but does that mean I would not notice ANY size increase at all?

 

[Xtreme57]

IMHO, test w/o GH is a waste of time AND money.. And I think to REALLY see the "full" benefits of GH you need to consider a years or more worth of use. Again, you should run test with it and if on for long term, T3 would be needed. I am not saying your cant do it, you can, but you are only going to get half the results and spend 2x the amount of money. Not to mention unless you getting it from a pharma you will never know how it was prepared or stored, there for you may spend a lot more money and not get good results.. To that end, I would say Anavar (var) and I think I would run it for longer than 8 weeks and I (personally) wouldn’t run it alone.. But again, as I stated at the beginning this is “IMHO”…

With that, to "bring up you arms" I do not think the above is the right answer simply because I cant tell Anavar (var) or GH to just build arms, you are gonna get total overall growth with 99% of AAS or GH. Meaning your back and chest are going to grow as well..

Here is where I would start and save the $ for a proper cycle..

If you haven’t done so, try changing your w/o routine that emphasis the use of your arms and less emphasis on you shoulders.. See, I don’t think its your "chest" that’s too big I think its your shoulders.. I say that because 85% of people have over developed front shoulders and by doing less in this muscle group will naturally bring up the other parts..

I have pretty decent shoulders and I haven’t done any kind of "pressing" movement in years.. In fact, I don’t really do shoulders as a routine, I simply work the side delts in my chest routine and rear delts in my back routine.. Keep in mind, I have 17 years of training and I only really started to figure this out about 5 years ago.. Take it from us mid 30 year olds- we already made many mistakes..

Look, I am guessing here so please understand that all the above may not apply but based on what I see in the gyms, I would start with the analysis of what body parts are over and under developed and target the under for a few months and track your progress....

Don’t worry your chest or back isnt going to shrink, your underdeveloped arms are more "your" issue, they are probably fine… Unless your slacking and not training the hard enough but I suspect this isnt the case..

Its probably just that you don’t spend as much time on the other muscles,, other than chest and back. I know this because I did it as well....

Hope this helps,


j

All the slights, jokes, AND advice is taken very respectfully. I'm not that far behind you in age and sadly no, it is not a case of my anterior delts overpowering my medial or posterior delts. My shoulders actually have a very even distribution of size, and my arms are actually very well proportioned ... to themselves. The problem is there is simply NOT ENOUGH of any of them.

Simply put, I have the worst genetics a bodybuilder could ever (not) ask for. I would love to upload pics of myself as proof, but it is honestly incredibly embarrassing.

Unfortunately I cannot use testosterone for a Anavar (var) iety of reasons. But Anavar (var) and GH are on the table. Cost is not really an issue, bc I just want decent (not mind-blowing) results with as few sides as possible.

 

[Trevdog]

I apologize as coming across poorly. Am I saying that with a sufficient calorie deficit my body will not lose weight? NO. It is a pain in the ass, but does not defy science.

What I was trying to say is that it takes a long time for me to lose weight the right way, and unfortunately some of the weight I lose ends up being muscle that I so desperately need on my arms/shoulders.

I should have simplified my question by asking if ana Anavar (var) or GH will provide an increase in size in musculature at all? I know Anavar (var) is to a degree, but I'm still hazy about GH? I know it's not nearly as anabolic as juice, but does that mean I would not notice ANY size increase at all?

Yes that is what it means. Do not expect any noticeable size increase from GH. Expect noticeable gains from ana Anavar (var) .

 

[Scarz]

Well, no. Of course no steriod or hormone is going to be a "smart bomb" that will get your arms and shoulders to catch up with your chest. I haven't been able to effectively bring out lagging body parts.

Anavar will of course do much more to produce anabolism - it would help to bring up your arms and shoulders. GH really isn't anabolic, at least it isn't a real factor in bodybuilders who use steroids.

GH will do much more to improve fat burning. Anavar does have an effect on fat burning, but it is pretty subtle.

I'm not buying into the theory that your body doesn't like to lose fat unless you go on a severe caloric deficit and do a lot of cardio. Sure, I can believe that you have to do that to really notice the progress, but if you create a caloric deficit, get in enough protein, and get your exercise in - your body will have to shed fat, it won't have a choice.

Whatever you decide to do regarding GH or anavar, I'd suggest trying some HIIT (high intensity interval training) for at least some of your cardio. It's great for getting lean.

I didn't understand this part,

"Anavar will of course do much more to produce anabolism - it would help to bring up your arms and shoulders."

is that provided those areas are worked out on more than other body parts?

 

[Xtreme57]

Yes that is what it means. Do not expect any noticeable size increase from GH. Expect noticeable gains from anavar.

Wow even from a 4iu/day dose? I'm only 5'8 175lb

 

[Xtreme57]

IS THIS TRUE:

"Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics."

If so, then if one were to do a cycle of GH, would it ALLOW you to grow bigger over time?

 

[needsize]

I've been cycling juice for 8 years now, and been on gh for 2 years straight. A few things I have noticed. Juicw does let you increase the size of existing muscle cells, then when you get to a point where they are "maxed out", then no amount of juice will allow you to grow anymore. Thats the point I was ar a few years ago.
The gh has allowed me to gain more size, but not a lot, maybe a few lbs at most over these past 2 years. And I am pretty sure those gains came during the 3 months where I ran a very large cycle along with 9iu of gh a day....thats right, I said 9iu, it was pricey but I made gains. In the in between times I coast on around 3-4iu a day and have not seen any growth from that. Over time it seems like there have been other changes to my physique, like muscles seem to have a better shape, but no other size gains. Either way, these changes seem to have started after my first year on gh, not before

So to sum it up, for what you are looking for, the Anavar (var) is your best bet, but honestly even better would be a really anabolic cycle like dbol, test, deca, etc, thats where all my size came from. The gh is great, but if your physique isnt maxed out the way mine was, then I think you would be better served by something with the anabolic properties of steroids over gh