Biotech or pinnacle???

I haven;t started yet, it's still sitting here on my desk.

Here is the thing, to me tren is a toxic compound of death. The stuff is nasty

with that said nothing gives the results that tren does :(

So I do tell them to avoid it for health reasons. Old guys can get away with running a little test + var and primo and never have a need for tren.

That was my plan until I ended up with 220 counterfeit bayer primo amps. So my primo plans are out the window now due to this. Tren would get the job done at 1/10th the cost.


Decisions decisions. I will be taking a chance on my health playing the tren game at pretty uch 50 years of age.

Anyway for sure going to have a sit down with bullseye, crazy mike, PB and the other old timers I told to avoid it when they asked me for input ;)


Zeek, sounds like you already know that tren isnt the best thing for you. now i may not be one to give advice since im running it now for the first time but health should be number one priority here out of everything.

in your best oppinion if you believe you can run it without compromising that (remember its not just you its your family too) then go for it. but if you think it could be a little risky it just isnt worth it. im assuming at your age and experience you must already be huge, maybe wait till you can get some primo sorted out or some masteron even with the var, should be a great combo.

im sure there are hundreds of people on this board wanting you to run it, myself included because we know you will do a get job logging it and we all could probably learn alot but ultimately its up to you if you think its safe enough, personally i would give it a miss since youve already danced with it numerous times.

just my .02
 
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Madella love everything u said especially "It's not u it's ur family too" I agree with 100% but like u said if Zeek feels that it's going to be safe then go for it. He is a OG and he knows what he is doin and knows when it's not good at the moment so I completely trust his decision.
 
Madella love everything u said especially "It's not u it's ur family too" I agree with 100% but like u said if Zeek feels that it's going to be safe then go for it. He is a OG and he knows what he is doin and knows when it's not good at the moment so I completely trust his decision.

i'll completely trust his descision aswell since he has a mountain of experience behind him. sometimes people just forget that the descisions we make can indirectly affect others and sometimes we need to be made aware of that. what ever run he chooses ill be watching intently
 
Wanted to add some info on biotech


Apparently IP now carries biotech!

That should settle any disputes on that. Anything that man touches turns to shit!

so if you do plan to try biotech make sure you get it somewhere other than IP or his little chain of mini me's or you for sure are buying a counterfeit product! the man doesn't sell any legit goods
 
Wanted to add some info on biotech


Apparently IP now carries biotech!

That should settle any disputes on that. Anything that man touches turns to shit!

so if you do plan to try biotech make sure you get it somewhere other than IP or his little chain of mini me's or you for sure are buying a counterfeit product! the man doesn't sell any legit goods

That's why I asked in megatron_ed's thread on sciroxx where he got his sciroxx... lol everything he touches turns to shit so now it's biotech too :sadwavey:
 
IP is like a cancer man!! why doesn't he just try to build up the IP brand which has 10+ years as a UGL.

Because........

His gear is shit ;)

So he counterfeits anything good! and eventually ruins those companies because ppl become too scared to touch brands that IP is involved in.

Pinnacle better get ready for the same fate in another year or two if they keep up the quality. As soon as IP carries it they need to instantly change labels and brand name, only way to survive an IP attack!
 
seriously? and to think that i read a few reveiws of IP and was actually thinking about ordering somthing from them since a few of their suppliers have no min. glad i just read this thread.
 
tell me about the other board im on....prob same board your talking about....hypes them up like crazy and they have like 3 sponsors all selling IP gear. well most of it isn't really even ip gear it's bootleg BD an QV
 
I know the board you guys are talking about and he has been a sponsor there for a very long time. Anytime you want feedback on a sponsor try to get it from a different board than the one they are sponsors on. You will get closer to the truth that way on their products and services.
 
I know the board you guys are talking about and he has been a sponsor there for a very long time. Anytime you want feedback on a sponsor try to get it from a different board than the one they are sponsors on. You will get closer to the truth that way on their products and services.

so seek you seem like you know what your talking about ...whats your personal opinion? IP gear junk? and anyone selling them or saying they represent them not even worth the time or money? i was thinking about just placing a small order seeing how they have no min. just to maybe try a few dbols....my thinking is that by taking their dbols for about a week it would be pretty clear wheather they are bunk or not cause dbol kicks in so quick.
so u think not even worth spending the small ammount of money?

I mean after reading these post it seems like everyone says they are horrible and everything they tough turns to shit. Which sucks cuz on one list i got their selling bio-tech now. Which is some of the best stuff i've done. anyways...your thought zeeek?
 
I am going to put aside the disgust I have for that source and his brand for a moment and just focus on the facts.

Any name brand that he carries is always going to be counterfeit! there are absolutely no exceptions to this rule when dealing with IP. This is what the man has been doing for over a decade. If he has scrioxx it is counterfeit with IP brew in the bottle, same goes for the BD,Qv,DEnkall, Biotech etc etc

Why should we as end users support a label that sells counterfeit products and further encourage this practice?

Some of his gear is not all bad! sometimes ppl get decent stuff, there is no quality control in place with that UG operation! Much of his gear is severely underdosed!! consider yourself lucky when you get weak stuff from him because some guys just get oil

With all of the good sources available to us that sell under their own label there should never be a need to turn to the IP brand and his numerous counterfeits.

Simply go with one of the sources that has really good feedback!


so seek you seem like you know what your talking about ...whats your personal opinion? IP gear junk? and anyone selling them or saying they represent them not even worth the time or money? i was thinking about just placing a small order seeing how they have no min. just to maybe try a few dbols....my thinking is that by taking their dbols for about a week it would be pretty clear wheather they are bunk or not cause dbol kicks in so quick.
so u think not even worth spending the small ammount of money?

I mean after reading these post it seems like everyone says they are horrible and everything they tough turns to shit. Which sucks cuz on one list i got their selling bio-tech now. Which is some of the best stuff i've done. anyways...your thought zeeek?
 
thank you very well put. I mean u said exactly what i needed to hear. Why buy from a source which slaps on labels of labs that are long gone. It would make more sense for him to build up his own brand, the Ip name. Instead of trying to get buisness selling rip offs of other brands that had very good reps. And your right just because he's slapping a British Dragon label on it doesn't mean the gear is complete junk but your also right when you say why bother going with a source like that. When u can go with a source that opperates in a much better fashion and always comes thru with GREAT product. Idk about u fellas but i think that BioTech is some one of the best UGL around right now...that ive tried ne ways. Heard good things about other labs also but havnt personally tried them yet. I'm still a newbie to this only starting my third cycle now. But yeah Zeek very well put
 
there are 2 different IPs, there is the regular IP then theres IPdom which carries "biotech", from what I heard they are not the same but different.

Zeek is right about everything however I here that the biotech stuff that IPdom has is g2g
 
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there are 2 different IPs, there is the regular IP then theres IPdom which carries "biotech", from what I heard they are not the same but different.

Zeek is right about everything however I here that the biotech stuff that IPdom has is g2g

there is also the guy whose name starts with S, another IP guy


So all 3 different people but all under the main offender himself!

all 3 of them sell shit that originates with the main IP
 
you here that the bio tech IPdem is g2g? doesn't sound very convincing...i'm gonna stick with zeek on this one and stick with my own bio tech source. Besides i think im going for the pinnicle next or maybe another source with a certain some1 just hooked me up with ;) u knowwwww
 
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