chins/pull ups ???

[Frosty]

Im gonna stand up and say weighted pull-ups/chins do NOT help all that much with back width or thickness. Ive discussed this with some ppl who compete, and the consensus is this...deads/barbell rows/pullovers/lat pulldowns are the way to go. Ive exhausted weighted chins....all they do is make you a stronger wieghted chin puller-upper.

And frosty, comparing yourself to others for the sole purpose of either (since you like to list shit)
1. You want to make them look bad
2. You want to make yourself look good
3. Combination of both

Ever be in a conversation and have someone just jump in, put you down, then compare themselves favorably to you? Its disgusting. So ill do the same and tell me if its cool. Frosty...at that weight your actually quite weak with pullups. Ive pulled +95lbs for 4 reps before I realized it wasnt making a difference in my back.

I'll be the first to admit I'm weak. I can do 110 extra pounds for sets of 3 reps, but again, I'm weak. That's why I'm using myself as a basis for what is weak and what is not! If a weak guy can do 3 with a total of 310 lbs, then why on earth couldn't a guy that has a good 80 lbs more muscle than me? He should be able to pull a LOT more with all that extra muscle.

And as to your list...pullinbig said my bench is weak (it is), but he wasn't trying to make me look bad or trying to make himself look good. I just think being over 250 is a lame excuse for not being able to do chinups.

But either way, it's good to do a wide range of motions for the back. Everything from chinups to decline rows, to flat rows, to incline rows, to high pulls or cleans. Varying the grip with all these provides endless variation.

 

[syko]

HOW DOES ONE SIMPLE FUCKING EXCERSIZE DECIDE IF SOMEONE IS WEAK OR NOT?

 

[Insane_Man]

I personally cannot do chinups.

Why? Because they aggravate a shoulder problem of mine so i don't do them.

Sure, I could grab a bar and crank out maybe 10, but if I do that on a regular basis I will end up with my right arm laying on the ground.

So I am not 'good' at chinups, I would not say that I am weak.

 

[syko]

i am not arguing whether or not that im weak..what i hate is that you put people down just because they dont do a particular excersize for god knows what fucking reason.

 

[Frosty]

i am not denying that im weak..what i hate is that you put people down just because they dont do a particular excersize for god knows what fucking reason.

That's like saying "I can bench 600 raw, but I can only overhead press 225." When do you ever hear that?

Or "I can squat 800 raw, but I can only front squat 350."

Do you ever hear people saying this? If this is the case, then they have some serious imbalances.

Are you saying you can do rows with over 300 lbs?

 

[Frosty]

I personally cannot do chinups.

Why? Because they aggravate a shoulder problem of mine so i don't do them.

Sure, I could grab a bar and crank out maybe 10, but if I do that on a regular basis I will end up with my right arm laying on the ground.

So I am not 'good' at chinups, I would not say that I am weak.

well, you can still do them! But having a physical problem (weakness not counting ) is a valid reason for not being able to do them well.

 

[syko]

im not saying i do rows with over 300 lbs
does that make me weak?

 

[syko]

man....just get a fucking grip on reality and understand this....ONE FUCKING EXCERSIZE DOES NOT DETERMINE IF ONE IS WEAK OR NOT!

 

[syko]

i can almost swear that you are one of these little weekend warriors who go to the gym thinking they are big shit....Grunting and groaning doing umpteen reps of nothing. All to look good for the women. All you do is past shit u find on the internet trying to impress people about what? all these fucking textbook knowledge you claim to be? HAHA
ID rather listen to someone who can explain things from experience rather than to some hotshot who thinks hes better than everyone because he believes chinups determine who is weak or not!

Face it, you dont know what the fuck you are saying, because one goddamn excersize does not determine who is weak or not. PERIOD!.

 

[Insane_Man]

well, you can still do them! But having a physical problem (weakness not counting ) is a valid reason for not being able to do them well.

Yes, but I cannot do many chins for a guy my weight and level of fitness. It doesn't make me weak, it just means I can't do chins.

 

[Frosty]

man....just get a fucking grip on reality and understand this....ONE FUCKING EXCERSIZE DOES NOT DETERMINE IF ONE IS WEAK OR NOT!

No, hang on...you said you're not saying you do rows with 300. What do you do rows with?

What is your weight and BF percentage?

I have a feeling you weigh a lot and aren't rowing much either, but I may be left with egg all over my face on this one. So be it, but like I said, people normally aren't strong in a lift and super weak in a variation unless they have serious imbalances (which is not good). Again, I'm not trying to put you down, cause honestly, you're probably a lot bigger, stronger, and leaner than I am.

 

[Frosty]

Yes, but I cannot do many chins for a guy my weight and level of fitness. It doesn't make me weak, it just means I can't do chins.

Yep, I agree 100%

 

[syko]

with all due respect, im 6'2, 264lbs, and about 15% bodyfat.
But with what you were saying the whole time was that chinups determine if one is weak or not...thats what im getting at...

And lastly, i am getting over a shoulder problem. mostly in the cuff..as well as an old injury from football in my knee...

But aside from that, i do have strong lifts in all aspects, except for flat bench and squats. and never do chinups.

I do 315 for reps on my bent over BB rows, have a 500 lb deadlift...i just simply find it hard on pullups...chinups are alright

 

[Frosty]

And lastly, i am getting over a shoulder problem. mostly in the cuff..

Why didn't you just say this in the beginning?

 

[syko]

that was not my point frosty...my point was that you are blatantly accusing people of being weak because they find chinups hard... Basically you were saying that one excersize for a muscle group determines whether one is weak or not.

 

[Frosty]

that was not my point frosty...my point was that you are blatantly accusing people of being weak because they find chinups hard...

yes, because a total weight of 250 is not much at all. Whether you specialize in them or not do them at all (look at pullinbig).

You initially said "wait till u boys hit the 250lbs + weight barrier...its litterally impossible to do the shit...."

I'd be interested to see if pullinbig could do a little contest with people in his gym. I'm sure there are guys that don't do chins...see how much weight they can use. I find it hard to believe that anyone that's strong will struggle with 250 lbs or so.

 

[syko]

keep in mind though, people who do chinups religiously will kick my ass in a chinup contest...if you take someone who is a replica of me...and does chinups religiously every week or whatever, will have a GREATER advantage than me, since i never do chinups. No matter how you look at it.

 

[Frosty]

keep in mind though, people who do chinups religiously will kick my ass in a chinup contest...if you take someone who is a replica of me...and does chinups religiously every week or whatever, will have a GREATER advantage than me, since i never do chinups. No matter how you look at it.

Of course, but I don't think you need to specialize in them to be able to do them with 250-300 lbs if you're strong.

 

[Frosty]

Hey pullinbig...just found out when it is:

http://www.nastrongman.com/contestinfo/forms/101604ENTRYPAfall.pdf


October 16th. I'll talk to my buddy and see what category he's going in. I may enter Mens Novice middleweight. Just got a few more pounds to drop and I'll hit the early weigh in to make sure I'm the right weight and super hydrate after that.

Gotta get my stupid grip up...but otherwise I shouldn't get beaten TOO badly

 

[pullinbig]

Shoot, I don't even know. There is no set date yet

Hamstring strength is up...conditioning is up. Gotta schedule a weekend to get together with my buddy and get used to the tire and log. Gotta do more grip work.

you gettin there bro just keep plugging away.
one of the guys from my gym has a 1000+lb tire in his yard. he lives an hour from here me sone of these days i am gonna go see whos the boss. prolly the tire. he flips it no prob for reps. weighs 230 or so. he's just a young bull. same guy hit a 895 squat monday in the gym.