Cutting Cycle

[BodybuilderX]

This will be my first steroid cycle, I've tried researching as much as I could and I've come to a halt in regards to proper cycling/PCT therapy. From what I have compiled and collected from the Steroid profiles and Vet members is that a good cutting cycle would be:

1) Trenbolone Ethanate
2) Primobolan
3) Nolvadex/Proviron
4) HCG
5) LiverCare
6) Cortisal Suppresants

I've been working out steadily for about 5 years now, I am 22 years of age, and have followed a strict workout-regiment as well as a structured diet for several years, I was able to yield results but not what I had expected. If anyone can help me out with dosing protocols and procedures, I would be so grateful!

 

[Spear]

First cycle? Forget everything that you have posted.

What are your stats? Height, weight, etc.

What is your diet like? Please post a daily example.

Run a bread and butter cycle, helps you assess your tolerance to gear, and see how to take stuff.

Test E (1-10)- 500mg per week
Dbol (1-4) - 30mg Per week

PCT - Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

 

[BodybuilderX]

First cycle? Forget everything that you have posted.

What are your stats? Height, weight, etc.

What is your diet like? Please post a daily example.

Run a bread and butter cycle, helps you assess your tolerance to gear, and see how to take stuff.

Test E (1-10)- 500mg per week
Dbol (1-4) - 30mg Per week

PCT - Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Stats:
Height: 5'11 feet
Weight: 172lbs
BF: 16%

Diet/Meal plan:
Meal 1: 6 egg whites, 1 egg yolk, 2 slices whole wheat bread, banana, Green tea
Meal 2: Protein Shake+1/2cup oats, Greek salad
Meal 3: Chicken breast, brussel sprouts, walnuts
Meal 4: Greek yogurt, tbsp flax oil, 1/2 cup brown rice
Meal 5/Post-workout: Lean Steak OR 6oz Tilapia/Salmon,BBQ sauce, small sweet potato
Meal 6: Protein shake, Cheat meal: Oysters OR PB+Jam sandwich on whole wheat bread
Water Intake: 3-4L per day

And thanks for the post bud, i appreciate it, just question, does 50mg=1 injection of Test per day?

 

[darkside06]

First cycle? Forget everything that you have posted.
What are your stats? Height, weight, etc.

What is your diet like? Please post a daily example.

Run a bread and butter cycle, helps you assess your tolerance to gear, and see how to take stuff.

Test E (1-10)- 500mg per week
Dbol (1-4) - 30mg Per week

PCT - Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

agreed! Run Test E or Test cyp for 12 weeks at 500-600mg per week.

What are your goals you wish to accomplish with this cycle?

 

[Spear]

Stats:
Height: 5'11 feet
Weight: 172lbs
BF: 16%

Diet/Meal plan:
Meal 1: 6 egg whites, 1 egg yolk, 2 slices whole wheat bread, banana, Green tea
Meal 2: Protein Shake+1/2cup oats, Greek salad
Meal 3: Chicken breast, brussel sprouts, walnuts
Meal 4: Greek yogurt, tbsp flax oil, 1/2 cup brown rice
Meal 5/Post-workout: Lean Steak OR 6oz Tilapia/Salmon,BBQ sauce, small sweet potato
Meal 6: Protein shake, Cheat meal: Oysters OR PB+Jam sandwich on whole wheat bread
Water Intake: 3-4L per day

And thanks for the post bud, i appreciate it, just question, does 50mg=1 injection of Test per day?

Usually test E is dosed at 250mg per ML.

Do you really eat like how you posted, or did you pull that diet off the internet? I'm just a tad skeptical because of your weight. Seems like you may be a bit larger.

 

[DaHurt]

You're pretty young man, I would give it at least 2 more years, especially since you're so light for your height.

You need to eat A LOT more...more meat and complex carbs, less shakes....my 100 lb fiance eats almost that much.

Not trying to flame you but if you don't figure out how to gain naturally and how to eat to grow, you're not going to see results on AAS.

 

[weights=life]

agreed! Run Test E or Test cyp for 12 weeks at 500-600mg per week.

What are your goals you wish to accomplish with this cycle?

x2

 

[BodybuilderX]

Thanks for the constructive critism people, I appreciate once more

And my overall goal is to get to 8% Bodyfat from 16% within 12 weeks +/-. I've taken Test boosters before and MANY pre-workouts that my body has adapted to stimulants. I've taken a variety of other things, not limited to, multi-vits/BCAA/Glutamine/Yohimbe/LiverTabs etc.

And my diet is accurate, I've done lots of research within the past 3 years of bodybuilding and have compiled a diet that has worked somewhat for me. I manipulate carbs during the winter to add mass. I've bulked up to 195lbs last winter but was unsatisfied with the way i looked. I don't want to be massive, I just want to be ripped and healthy <-- LOL.

and will the Test E 500mg, rip me up? 8% BF within 12 weeks using a strict diet, moderate cardio, and heavy weights?

Also, with my busy life-style getting in more than 3000 cals a day is challenging, i expense lots of calories laying brick and it takes its toll on the diet, I also use to be an ectomorph and never ate very much, with the help of test-boosters, eating properly and heavy lifting, i was able to transform my body, but not not satisfied

 

[weights=life]

diet is the most important thing. especially to your goals. post waht you eat seek out 3j hes a diet king and he can help get that dialed in to help your gains.

 

[BodybuilderX]

I've posted in 3J's Diet Forum, waiting on a response,

and for the Test E 500mg EW, is that 1 injection ED of 2cc's? I'm new to the dosing protocols, forgive me.

 

[Spear]

Gear won't get you ripped up, diet and cardio will. You will need to drop your carbs very low to be in single digits, and you will most likely have to be doing about an hour of cardio every day. Spend a little more time doing some research on gear. You will find all the answers to your questions, and feel more accomplished in what you learned. Bro-science is not a good way to learn. Trust me.

 

[BodybuilderX]

The reason why I'm contemplating about taking Gear at my age (22 Years) Is that I've taken Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutritrion in the past, which was a test-booster, and now that product is illegal. I believe when taking it, It messed up my hormonal balance and gave me Gyno. It's been 3-4 years since i've been on test boosters, and I still feel like my test levels are low considering I have crazy mood swings/lack of motivation/depression. I will keep doing research to see if this is right for me. Maybe i'll bulk up to 200lbs naturally and then take gear.

 

[Weights]

tren on a first cycle!!!! go with what spear said its great.

 

[bigherm2121]

The reason why I'm contemplating about taking Gear at my age (22 Years) Is that I've taken Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutritrion in the past, which was a test-booster, and now that product is illegal. I believe when taking it, It messed up my hormonal balance and gave me Gyno. It's been 3-4 years since i've been on test boosters, and I still feel like my test levels are low considering I have crazy mood swings/lack of motivation/depression. I will keep doing research to see if this is right for me. Maybe i'll bulk up to 200lbs naturally and then take gear.

Test boosters are no way similar to test. Test e would be shot twice a week at 250 each time. Dropping from 16% to 8% is really hard to do in 6 months let alone 12 weeks. If you wanna drop bf its not done with aas. Aas is really not made to do that though building lean muscle does decrease bf but in your case your better off to diet hardcore and workout hard without aas. That's your best bet. Another thing when dealing with aas all compounds sgould be ran with test. But always run your first cycle with test only. Test c test p test s test e. There all the same just the esters are different. Meaning you pin them differently because of their half lifes or active lifes.

 

[Weights]

are you doing a log?

 

[BodybuilderX]

A Log as in recording my cycle progress? Or A log for my diet? At this point in time I haven't ordered the gear yet, i'm still in the process of learning about gear. My thoughts on my first cycle, thanks to all the suggestions, would be

-Test E 500mg EW Week 1-12
-Anavar 20mg daily Week 1-8
-Letro/Aromasin 0.5mg ED Week 1-12
-Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20 (10 days after last pin)
-LiverCaps ED
-Cortisal Suppresants

I don't think i'll need HCG on my first cycle, considering I'm using an AI+SERM, correct me if i'm wrong.

Does my dosing seem accurate?

 

[BIGD2011]

most peoples first cycle or a reccomended one is jus clean and simple test e 500mgs per week for 12 weeks simple. maybe chuck some dbol at 30mgs for first 4 weeks to give yourself a kickstart as its your first cycle and you will get the most benefits out of it.

you should only ever use test on your first cycle as you will be able to see how you react to it, and to see if your gyno prone ect. at 500mgs a week you prob wont have any negative sides anyway but its a good starting point so you know the deal n what not. and test will be the backbone of any other cycle your likely to do, so its best to see and `feel` how it works. you will still gain mega off of that as its your first cycle. i did that cycle my first time and i put on around 25-28 lbs. ive never gained that much of anything else since!

also jus to keep things simple drop the letro. stick with a-dex/aromasin at 0.25mgs ed or eod will be more than sufficent. no need to over do it on the anti e`s at only 500mgs a week. but keep some on hand us incase you show signs of gyno: itchy, sore or puffy nipples or anything. if this occurs then jus double dose on the aromasin for a couple of days and i will knock it right out.

it dosn`t matter if its your first cycle or 100th cycle, you will still be shut down even from using 500mgs of test per week. (thats still a HELL of a lot more than your body naturaly produces) and considering how cheap hcg is, its definatly worth investing in..
personally i swear by it and would never do a cycle with out some hcg on hand to kick start my balls back up.. if you have any testicular shrinkage durning the cycle a couple shots of hcg at the end of a cycle and they allwyas double in size with me.. so yea defo worth having. cant do you any harm and very inexpensive.

hope that helps a bit. i know some people do different things but Jus stick to the basics to begin with.. if you carry on steroid use in the future you will be very glad that you did. D

 

[BodybuilderX]

^ Thanks buddy for the thought out response, Definitely appreciate it I will consider getting a HCG just in case the balls take a blow.

I know i'll probably get flamed for posting this here but I live in Canada, and finding juice on the streets is not something i want to do, do you guys have any tips on where i could pick some up?

My last resort would be raiding a pharmacy LOL don't feel like going to jail tho