cycle suggestions after 4 year break

[littlebigman]

Hey all, been a while. I have been off for a while and wanting to come up with a GREAT cycle taht is well planned and put into action. My goals and lifestyle has changed so here are my requests. I want to stay with a "lean" look most of the year and it is now more important for me to look hard/vascular/lean, then super massive. Although all 4 would be nice....My primary concern is safety, even if i have to choose a less effective cycle. With how hard i diet and train year round I am OK with only gaining 3-10lbs of super quality muscle per year on top of what i gain naturally. Ok now your turn....suggestions...and GO!

 

[Bigdude300]

If quality is what ur looking for, I would run Test Prop 100 mgs eod for 8 weeks, throw in Anavar 40 mgs ed at the end of week 2-8. Pct 2 week after last shot, consider Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well trust me a real safe run w/ positive results.

 

[littlebigman]

Bigdude,

curious as to why you have chosen anavar over primo? Not questioning you just curious. Also, isnt test prop supposed to be pretty bad on sides? why prop over enth or cyp?

Thanks

 

[Bigdude300]

Honestly Bro, I just ran Primo 150( Tabs) mgs ed along with Test Cyp 1000mgs wk Dec 600 mgs wk. U need too much Primo to see results as opposed to running lower doses of Anavar for more positive effects. Test Prop sides r much milder than Cyp, Enth. U must inject more frequently to keep blood levels up as the esther life of the drug is usually 48 hrs. If ur going for lean u have more chance to pack on fat and retain more water with the other test. FYI I'll never knock Primo Arnold swore by the shit!!!!! Good Luck

 

[bulldog28]

it's yout chose

Here is what I would suggest:
Run sustan 250 for 8 weeks
Tren ace or winstrol for 6 weeks. Start on the second week and end it one week before your cycle ends.
Add either winny’s or anavar all along the cycle. Winny’s are cheaper but anavar won’t hurt your joints. To us older boys this might matter to you ……not knowing your age.
Use HGC from the second week on till your 6th week then start using Nolva for 4 weeks.
I’d also advise the using of aromasin during your complete cycle seeing It helps the little boys stay full.
Oh, throw in some Clen at the end of your cycle to gain the cardio you’re looking for

 

[Ythrashin]

Tren has to many nasty sides IMO...

I would run somethin like this...

12 week cycle



Testosterone E or c 250mg a week: Cycle
Week 1 - 12

Equipoise 500mg a week: Weeks 1 – 10
(eq ester takes longer to clear than test e or c that is why you stop use 2 weeks before test)

Anavar 50mg a day: Cycle Week 1 – 4 and Cycle Week 9 – 13
(one wk longer than test because using the anavar as a "bridge" to PCT while waiting for for EQ and test esters to clear)

HCG during weeks 4-13



PCT: start wk 14
(start week 14 after esters have cleared so your HPTA is not suppressed by test and EQ)

4weeks long
20/20/10/10mg

 

[Scarz]

LOL Battle of the cycles!

test at 250 will shut you down and give the same sides as test would at 500, which is why 500 is always recomended and nothing under, unless someone is predisposed with male pattern baldness.

for safe, lean, fast gains.... i like the test prop with Anavar (var) idea. prop 100-150mg eod, and Anavar (var) at 50-100mg ed throughout cycle form day 1 to the end.

 

[Ythrashin]

Yep, 500 would be better ...but recommended the 250 for "leaner" look...

He may feel better and be happier with 500 though.

 

[Biggin]

Hell, they all look good to me. If I had to choose I would run what bigdude suggested. But like I said I like em all...

 

[Ythrashin]

Hell, they all look good to me. If I had to choose I would run what bigdude suggested. But like I said I like em all...

Yikes!! 1gm of test per week.. I think is an overkill... Special with a 4 year hiatus...

500 mg wk would be optimal I think.

 

[Biggin]

I run a gram every now and then, thats just me though. Still like em all. See where u coming from though.

 

[littlebigman]

LOL Battle of the cycles!

test at 250 will shut you down and give the same sides as test would at 500, which is why 500 is always recomended and nothing under, unless someone is predisposed with male pattern baldness.

for safe, lean, fast gains.... i like the test prop with Anavar (var) idea. prop 100-150mg eod, and Anavar (var) at 50-100mg ed throughout cycle form day 1 to the end.

Did not know this, so basically its a waste to do 250 becasue your sides will stay the same might was well get the most benefit out of it...hmm Still like the prop/var idea though

Reading up on Proviorn and it seems like a no brainer to do wth the prop...thoughts? how would you run the proviron?

ps everyone i am 170lbs and short. (for dosing recomendations) so i got smoe good muscle already for the years i have been working out, but we are all our own worst enemy arnt we.

 

[littlebigman]

If quality is what ur looking for, I would run Test Prop 100 mgs eod for 8 weeks, throw in Anavar 40 mgs ed at the end of week 2-8. Pct 2 week after last shot, consider Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well trust me a real safe run w/ positive results.

So run the Anavar (var) for 6 weeks everyday, did i read this right?

 

[Ythrashin]

LOL Battle of the cycles!

test at 250 will shut you down and give the same sides as test would at 500, which is why 500 is always recomended and nothing under, unless someone is predisposed with male pattern baldness.

for safe, lean, fast gains.... i like the test prop with Anavar (var) idea. prop 100-150mg eod, and Anavar (var) at 50-100mg ed throughout cycle form day 1 to the end.

I agree that 250 will shut you down as fast as 500mg, but as fare as it giving you the sames sides I disagree.

At 250 I need no Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but at 500mg I need to run one...

 

[workoutfreak078]

Tren has to many nasty sides IMO...

I would run somethin like this...

12 week cycle



Testosterone E or c 250mg a week: Cycle
Week 1 - 12

Equipoise 500mg a week: Weeks 1 – 10
(eq ester takes longer to clear than test e or c that is why you stop use 2 weeks before test)

Anavar 50mg a day: Cycle Week 1 – 4 and Cycle Week 9 – 13
(one wk longer than test because using the anavar as a "bridge" to PCT while waiting for for EQ and test esters to clear)

HCG during weeks 4-13



PCT: start wk 14
(start week 14 after esters have cleared so your HPTA is not suppressed by test and EQ)

4weeks long
20/20/10/10mg

No point in running Test under 500mg since you will be suppressed regardless and the gains will suck. EQ should be run at atleast 600mg a week split into three shots and it takes about 6 - 8 weeks to fully kick in so running it for 10 weeks is horrible. Run it for atleast 12. I run it for 16. Stop the EQ one week before Test E, not two. It takes Test E two weeks to clear and EQ a maximum of three.

Do not run Anavar for only 4 weeks seeing as how it takes 3 weeks to start seeing gains from it. Run it for 8 weeks straight, do not split it up or you will have wasted tons of money. The PCT should be ran at 40/40/20/20, not 20/20/10/10.

You need to do a lot more research before you start giving advice.

 

[littlebigman]

No point in running Test under 500mg since you will be suppressed regardless and the gains will suck. EQ should be run at atleast 600mg a week split into three shots and it takes about 6 - 8 weeks to fully kick in so running it for 10 weeks is horrible. Run it for atleast 12. I run it for 16. Stop the EQ one week before Test E, not two. It takes Test E two weeks to clear and EQ a maximum of three.

Do not run Anavar for only 4 weeks seeing as how it takes 3 weeks to start seeing gains from it. Run it for 8 weeks straight, do not split it up or you will have wasted tons of money. The post cycle therapy (pct) should be ran at 40/40/20/20, not 20/20/10/10.

You need to do a lot more research before you start giving advice.

Again, are you all giving advice on what YOU would do or what you would do if you were me and have taken 4 years off and wanting to be perfectly safe?

 

[workoutfreak078]

Again, are you all giving advice on what YOU would do or what you would do if you were me and have taken 4 years off and wanting to be perfectly safe?

If I took a 4 year break I would run Test E at 500mg for 12 weeks and that is it. Four years is a long break if you did not used to run hardcore cycles for years at a time. If we knew your cycle history then we could better help you, because we would know which compounds and which dosages you could handle.

 

[Scarz]

I agree that 250 will shut you down as fast as 500mg, but as fare as it giving you the sames sides I disagree.

At 250 I need no Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but at 500mg I need to run one...

i cant tolerate the ignorance here anymore.

this specific post is not that bad as I can easily prove it wrong. but i've come across too many posts and threads with ABHORING comments and advise and ridiculous cycles and shit without any mod interference whatsoever.

if u guys r unsure of what ure saying then either take the advise of someone who knows their shyt, or research their advise, or do ure own research before u post. newbies are always fucking themselves up because of misleading posts such as the ones im always coming across on this forum.

it was good while it lasted and good luck to all the bros here. im out

 

[Ythrashin]

i cant tolerate the ignorance here anymore.

this specific post is not that bad as I can easily prove it wrong. but i've come across too many posts and threads with ABHORING comments and advise and ridiculous cycles and shit without any mod interference whatsoever.

if u guys r unsure of what ure saying then either take the advise of someone who knows their shyt, or research their advise, or do ure own research before u post. newbies are always fucking themselves up because of misleading posts such as the ones im always coming across on this forum.

it was good while it lasted and good luck to all the bros here. im out

I'm here to learn and give opinions... would appreciate it if you could explain how the sides are the same when running 250 vs 500mg. I've ran both and 250 is like a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dose to me....

So 1gm of test will give you the same sides as 500mg or 250mg...?Perhaps the same but definitely more pronounced/worse...

Didn't mean to piss you off scar...my apologies...

 

[littlebigman]

Ouch! He is mad....

I imagine the people giving the bad advice dont know its bad and think its good. A lot of people dont know they are wrong until they are edcuated, better off educate then quit in my opinion. Just like the dumbass standing in front of the dumbell rack doing a set, hes a dumbass but probably no one ever told him why to give him a chance to correct it

Ok---you guys need my past

1st cy--18 years old

Primoteston 200-400mg/week (pyramid approach)
Sten 1 vial per week

2nd cy--20 years old

Sust 250 (1/week)
Deca 200mg/week

3rd cy--21 years old

Test E 300mg/week
Deca 250mg/week

4th cy--24 years old

Deca 200mg/week
Eq 300-400mg/week
Win--at very end
Tren 50mg every 4th day

**may have forgotton 1 or two in there between 21 and 24 years but you get the picture on dosages.