Deadlift workouts

blackbeard

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Courtesy of WSB:

“One must train the deadlift in a multiyear plan. An 8 or 12 week cycle won’t work. For example, it may take 6 months to raise your hamstrings up to acceptable levels.”

Deadlift records have made little progress in recent years. I believe it is easy to add pounds to a squat or bench press due to more progressive equipment. The supportive gear, in Westside’s opinion, pushes one to gain bodyweight to increase the squat and bench press, but anyone, including myself, can tell you, if you’re too heavy, your pull is destroyed.
With all that said, how do you train the deadlift for a meet? You don’t. One must train the deadlift in a multiyear plan. An 8- or 12 week cycle won’t work. For example, it may take 6 months to raise your hamstrings up to acceptable levels. If not, you will never reach your potential.
Let’s look at Matt Smith’s progress in a 30 month period. Matt had a 633 deadlift meet PR. Two and a half years later it is 825. This deadlift completed a 9 for 9 day and gave Matt a 2445 total at SHW.
Matt used the conjugate method. This system links special exercises that will increase awareness and coordination. Its purpose is to raise the classical lifts. First used for the Olympic lifting team at the Dynamo Club in the old USSR, this method was tested on 70 top lifters. It consisted of 25 to 40 special exercises. At the end of the first study, only one lifter was satisfied with the number of exercises. The rest wanted more.
Westside Barbell also began using this system in the early 1970s. If I put $1 million under a rock in the parking lot and told you to find it, chances are the first rock you pick up will have nothing under it. I bet that million that you would keep, looking until you struck it rich. It’s the same with exercises. If you look long enough, you will find methods and exercises that work best for you while realizing that many are worthless in comparison.
Now let’s look at a constantly revolving system of exercises that are used on max effort day, always trying a PR. For the advanced lifter, do 3 lifts, all singles: one at roughly 90% and then a PR, and if it is truly a max, stop, if not, try one more. It is much better to break new ground as often as possible. Lifting weights of 90% or more for more than 3 weeks will stop progress, but by rotating the core special exercises each week, one can max out all year long. This system is the supermaximal method.
Here are several workouts for the deadlift that can be coupled any way you want.
Workout 1. Safety squat bar squats on a 12-inch box. Work up to max. Next, glute/ham raises, the Reverse Hyper, and abs.
Workout 2. Bent-over good mornings to a max single or a 3-rep max. Then sled pulling for 8 trips of 200 feet with moderate weight, the Reverse Hyper, lat rows on a chest-supported machine, and abs.
Workout 3. Deadlift using the lightened method by placing the Jump-Stretch bands at 5 feet 6 inches off the floor to lighten the load by 65, 110, or 150 pounds. Work up to a max. Next, do pull-throughs, dumbbell rows, the Reverse Hyper machine, and leg raises.
Workout 4. Front squat on a parallel box. Try a new max, a single or a 3-rep max. Next do glute/ham raises, sled pulling with ankle straps, the Reverse Hyper machine, and standing ab work.
Workout 5. Rack pulls with the plates 2 inches off the floor for a max single, pull-throughs, incline sit ups, barbell rows, and the Reverse Hyper.
Workout 6. Heavy sled pulls with a belt around the waist for six pulls at 200 feet a pull. Then glute/ham raises, dumbbell rows, Janda sit-ups, and the Reverse Hyper. Janda sit-ups, named for Prof. Vladimir Janda, are done by hooking a band underneath the bench with the feet not anchored to eliminate hip flexor involvement. Hold on to the band, press your heels downward, push out on the abs, and pull up on the band.
Workout 7. Cambered bar good mornings. First bend over close to parallel; now squat as low as comfortable; then raise up. Work up to a single or a 3-rep max. Then do pull-throughs, snatch grip rows, standing abs, side rows for obliques, and the Reverse Hyper.
Workout 8. Arched-back good mornings. Remember, when doing a good morning, the bar must be in front of the knees. If not, it is a quarter squat. Work up to a max single or a triple. Pull a sled backward for 6 trips of 200 feet each. Barbell rows with a close grip, Janda situps, and the Reverse Hyper machine.
Workout 9. Concentric safety squat bar good mornings. Crawl under a bar that is suspended 3 feet off the floor and do good mornings. Do max single. Then glute/ham raises, chest-supported rows, standing abs, and the Reverse Hyper.
Workout 10. Band deadlifts on platform. Here, you can use one or two mini-bands, or purple, green, or blue bands. This is workout 10-14 if you use a different strength band each of these weeks. Work up to a max single. Then chest-supported rows, glute/ham raises, standing abs, and the Reverse Hyper machine.
Workout 15. Suspend the Buffalo bar or 14-inch cambered bar or do Zercher squats with a suspended bar. This is workout 15-17. Then pull a sled with a power belt for 4 trips for 200 feet backward. Then dumbbell rows, Janda sit-ups, and the Reverse Hyper.
Workout 18. Box deadlifts off a 4-inch box for conventional dead-lifts. Workout 19 is sumo deadlifts off a 2-inch box. Then do hanging leg raises, pull-throughs, and the Reverse Hyper machine.
Workout 20. Belt squats off a low box. Workout 21 is off a parallel box. Workout 22 is off a high box. For these workouts use a very wide stance. If you use the same boxes but with a very close stance, you now have workouts 23-25. Follow with glute/ham raises, incline situps, and the Reverse Hyper machine
Workout 26. One-legged squats with a straddle stance. Support the back foot on a box while the front foot is far out in front. This will build the entire leg while increasing flexibility in the hip and groin. Then do Janda sit-ups, backward sled pulling for 6 trips of 200 feet each, side-bends, and the Reverse Hyper machine.
Here you have 26 workouts, which is not even close to the amount we do. There are many methods combined in our workouts (concentric, eccentric, accommodating resistance, flexibility, awareness, and coordination) by doing a new task each week and maxing out continuously with exercises that build strength speed.
Matt does the dynamic method on Friday. The maximal effort work outs discussed above are roughly 72 hours later, on Monday. The more exercises you master, the better you are at any related exercise
Does this really work? Westside has had two female lifters do 470 and 484 deadlifts at 132 bodyweight and two female 165’s do 534 and 556. As for the men, we have a 165 who has done 640, two 181’s with 670 and 677, at 198 three over 700 and one at 750, two 220’s with 722 and 795, a 242 with a 793, a 275 with an 804, a 308 with an 800, and three SHWs with 810, 821, and Matt’s 825.
I know the greatest deadlifters are built to deadlift. At Westside we have never had the luxury of such a specimen. We had to develop the deadlift, just like Matt’s increase from 633 to 825 in 30 months.

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too much info. once again wsb has no big time pullers (cept vogolpuhl) or benchers 9cept halbert). i can guarauntee that andy bolton, gary frank, ed coan, steve gogins dont use this type of dead lift training (all current world record holders too).

youd have to take your lap top to the gym to keep up with all this shit. if you wanna a big dead lift then pull deads. its not majic. simple stuff. lifting weights is not brain surgery guys. you lift you get stronger. if you have a sticking point in a movement then work that part of the movement.
 
True, my issue is that im trying to add weight to my deads, and so far, im happy with my weight, but still, i want to get higher numbers...

What would be the best system to boost the deadlift assistance?
 
OH by the way, my squat is progressing nicely since i dropped weight and started going as deep as i could. I still find that my hams are lagging due to me leaning foward at the waist a lil...
 
The best way to add weight to your deadlifts is to progressively add weight small amounts, train explosively and use good form--bad form in deadlifts can cause injury. When I am training very heavy in deadlifts I use wrist wraps or hooked gloves--then I can lift the heavy weight without my grip giving out. I agree with pullinbig, it is not all that scientific you just have to do it.
 
gymphreak said:
OH by the way, my squat is progressing nicely since i dropped weight and started going as deep as i could. I still find that my hams are lagging due to me leaning foward at the waist a lil...


if you leaning forward a bit its prolly one of two issues. your form is off or your back is stronger than your legs therefore your ass is flying up to take the pressure off your legs and dumping it on your back. (the path of least resistance) either way the problem needs to be fixed before you mess your lumbar up.

send me a clip tiny and let me have a look and well get ya straightened out.
 
oh i absolutely agree with you and pullinbig, im just wondering if there was actually a good assistance movement for deads besides racks....I was thinking that GM's would be an excellent assistance movement since its sort of like the lockout movement as Deads require....but id do GM's on leg day...
 
Actually the best assistance movement is ab work--strong abs will prevent injury and will help you when doing deads and squats.
 
gymphreak said:
True, my issue is that im trying to add weight to my deads, and so far, im happy with my weight, but still, i want to get higher numbers...

What would be the best system to boost the deadlift assistance?

depends on what part of the dead is giving probs. are you missing them at the bottom, mid way or top? send me a clip and let me see your form. it may be a simple form issue stopping you from gains. this is more common than people realize.

assiatnce work will focus on the weaknesses in the lift.
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haha ill try my best to get clips of my bench, my dead and my squat to ya asap...i just gotta find me a digital camcorder....:D
 
PB, im usually missing midway up...what i find is that i tend to fold, and my back starts to arch....im doing alot of ab work now, so hopefully that'll bring up my core
 
once again it could be a form issue. your angles could be off. if you rounding off that can be associated with upper back weakness as well. get me a clip so we can be done with this stuff. plus when you see your self you gonna go damn my form looks totally different than i thought it would.

one more note young gymmy. the reason you rounding off on deads is the same reason you getting folded over on squats. this is easily corrected. once i get the clips. :insane2:
 
i didnt think it was all that confusing to follow?
just as i wouldnt copy Jay Cutlers routine i dont think copying Franks routine would produce the same results..just merely presenting ideas for people to try to see what works and what doesnt..i for one have seen an improvement in my dead when i started doing front squats..just my .02 take it for what it is..
 
here's my philosopohy on lifting and gaining strength/size. "it is simple". you lift you grow. any routine that takes over 30 seconds to read is way to much info. a little common sense always prevails in the end. i have tried every conceivable routine out there over the last several years and i always come back to the basics. loui and that crowd like to hear themselves talk. i can say in less than 1 minute what takes them a 5 page documnet to say. no doubt they know their stuff but its too much for average lifters to keep up with. liftingis suposed to be fun not some damn school project. i watched halberts bench video and was so damn confused after 10 minutes i turned it off and gave it away.

but anyway you posted the article and i shared my experience. guys who are just realizing that strenght training is the way to add muscle are gonna make gains on what ever common sense routine they choose. most wil eventually overtrain on west side unles it is abbreviated. which means what? getting back to the basics. =0)
 
i couldnt agree with you more..There are a gazillion articles on WSB yet it boils down to a few things gm's ghr box squats speed work...

I wasnt imlying that you should do each routine or that this was the only way to train..rather just giving people a heads up on the kinds of exercises that "may" go into building their own routine..do you have to follow things they way they were written in the article? hell no especially if theyre not helping you..can you take an move from workout#3 and one from #22? go ahead try it..

while most of my knowledge unfortunately has come from dumbass magazines and my own personal experiences..this sort of thing is rather new and perhaps im reading too much? whether or not WSB works for me i find it rather simple to follow but yes the crew loves to write a billion articles on GM's just to confuse everyone! :insane2:
 
i think ill write an article and post it here on the simplicity of weight training. hopefully get it up in the next few days.

dont get me wrong i admire louie and his guys, they work their asses off and put up some good numbers.

one of the biggest mistakes in the gym is being too smart. =0) when it comes to lifting its time to dummy up and just move some steel.
 
pullinbig said:
i think ill write an article and post it here on the simplicity of weight training. hopefully get it up in the next few days.

dont get me wrong i admire louie and his guys, they work their asses off and put up some good numbers.

one of the biggest mistakes in the gym is being too smart. =0) when it comes to lifting its time to dummy up and just move some steel.

PB im with you..Im pretty sure we're on the same side lol..it jsut that i dont think everyone knows what exercises can benifit a lift..I was reading on another board on how Inclines presses made someone's flat bench go down???? its just retarded..

How many times do we get threads about how can i improve this or why is this happeneing..I just wanted to present ideas..i think theres a lot of commonality in the article..squats and posterior work..

Id look forward to you writing an article..you know i always appreciate your advice..
 
pullinbig said:
i think ill write an article and post it here on the simplicity of weight training. hopefully get it up in the next few days.
here pullinbig i wil save you the trouble .

me load bar with lots of heavy round disk ugh
me lift bar with heavy round disk ugh
me go find cat now , he so pretty ugh
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the truth is my philosphy is closer to pullinbigs than louies and westsides , i think the routines are a little to complicated for the average lifter and i also feel its also extremely easy to overtrain useing their system . BUT COMA i love a lot of the excercises that are used daily by many powerlifters simple because louie has pushed them , good mornings,lockouts,boards,bands,chains,glute ham raises,reverse hypers,lying tricep extensions and the list goes on and on are excercises that kick ass to one degree or another and have helped many many people .these guys work their asses off and thats a fact some may beat them at a contest but its doubtfull that its because they worked harder .
so i guess my philosphy halfway between westside training and pullinbigs cromagnon training ugh :insane2:
 
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