Deca & HCG, why not?

[longbeachrider]

I know everyone recommends running a test base with any stack. I'm looking at running Deca with HCG to keep my balls in spec & keep a little test going. I've been reading up on the benefits of deca for collagen & tendon strength & want to take full advantage for that. You guys think running HCG all thru my cycle willl keep enough test in my system that I can go without an exogenous source? I know it may not be much but that's part of the point for my tendons...

 

[koi]

You still need to run test with it. Minimum of 200mg/week just to keep your test at normal levels whilst on the deca.

HGH is amazing for collagen production.

 

[UserAt204]

Good advice again koi. Hcg will keep your testicles working but you will not produce enough test to equate to the amounts typically injected. So basically no. Like koi stated if you mainly want to use deca, then use a minimum of 200mg a week test just to keep problems from arising. I personally dont do cycles like this one but others do for the exact reason you listed. My advice is to use the low dose test and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and run the test two weeks longer than deca then start your pct.

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

Yeah you have to run test at least @200mg/wk and Deca 400-600mg/wk for that collagen rehabilitation tactic you're attempting to employ. Technically that cycle should look like:
Wks1-12Testosterone enanthate @ 200mg/wk
Wks1-10Nandrolone Decanoate @ 400-600mg/wk
Wks2-7 HCG@250 IUs 2x/wk
Wks9-14 HCG@500 IUs2x/wk
Wks1-16-AI-Aromasin 12.5mg/ed or eod (Keep extra Cabergoline on hand)
Wks14-18 post cycle therapy (pct) Caber/Torem/HCG@1000 IUs 2xwk

 

[5x10]

anybody have any studies on how much 250iu eod or twice a weeks boosts test

might be a good combo(deca/hcg) without having to add more test

 

[koi]

5x10 - go back and read the entire thread. read every word carefully. when you're done, go back and read it again. repeat until the information sinks in.

 

[5x10]

5x10 - go back and read the entire thread. read every word carefully. when you're done, go back and read it again. repeat until the information sinks in.

re-read it and yet to see a study on how much test 250iu of hcg creates

 

[UserAt204]

5x10 it absolutely will increase test levels but I'm not sure exactly how that equates when using something as supressive as nandrolone. Think about how it's used, most use it the whole cycle then blast at the end, does that mean test levels are high automatically. If so we wouldn't have use for a serm.

I've seen others try this and it simply doesn't work well.

 

[longbeachrider]

You still need to run test with it. Minimum of 200mg/week just to keep your test at normal levels whilst on the deca.

HGH is amazing for collagen production.

Thanks koi, I meant to ask about how much would be equal to avg natty levels.

Yeah you have to run test at least @200mg/wk and Deca 400-600mg/wk for that collagen rehabilitation tactic you're attempting to employ. Technically that cycle should look like:
Wks1-12Testosterone enanthate @ 200mg/wk
Wks1-10Nandrolone Decanoate @ 400-600mg/wk
Wks2-7 HCG@250 IUs 2x/wk
Wks9-14 HCG@500 IUs2x/wk
Wks1-16-AI-Aromasin 12.5mg/ed or eod (Keep extra Cabergoline on hand)
Wks14-18 post cycle therapy (pct) Caber/Torem/HCG@1000 IUs 2xwk

Thanks for listing this out Juggalo. Is the Caber/Torem run at 1000iu's 2x wk also or is there an amount you'd recommend in mg's?

5x10 it absolutely will increase test levels but I'm not sure exactly how that equates when using something as supressive as nandrolone. Think about how it's used, most use it the whole cycle then blast at the end, does that mean test levels are high automatically. If so we wouldn't have use for a serm.

I've seen others try this and it simply doesn't work well.

I haven't been able to find much on the amount the HCG would produce in terms of test. It seems it would very by each person. But this makes sense 204, thanks for putting it that way.

Good looking out everyone.

 

[rocko3927]

never used caber in post cycle therapy (pct). not saying it doesn't work just found that 30 to 60 mg of toremifine works great for me.....usually 60mg because of my long cycles. getting ready to start a deca/test/hcg/pct=torem cycle myself. test e 600mg/wk 1-16, deca 400mg/wk 1-14, hcg 250 iu 2x wk.

 

[5x10]

5x10 it absolutely will increase test levels but I'm not sure exactly how that equates when using something as supressive as nandrolone. Think about how it's used, most use it the whole cycle then blast at the end, does that mean test levels are high automatically. If so we wouldn't have use for a serm.

I've seen others try this and it simply doesn't work well.

i was just thinking of a way to eliminate the need for another compound

you always hear test is a must with deca, and you can possibly knock out two birds with one stone with hcg
1: create enough test to at least have a normal(what 250iu twice a week tries to replecate, in least in terms of LF) amount in your system, even with the nandrolone in it
2:the benefits of running hcg during cycles, which is supposed to allow for an easier pct

in your experience, what didnt workout well?

 

[UserAt204]

The hcg wouldn't produce enough. I'll find some comparison studies bit I believe most are not during a cycle. If it was the case where hcg could boost natural levels enough to not need test, then your levels while on test would sky rocket beyond what would be normal while injecting.

I think the hcg basically just keeps them active but not producing very much during cycle. I know DET OAK could give you more accurate info so hopefully he will chime in.