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bleachcola
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Unless it's really bothering, I'd say leave it alone. A little bloat never hurt anyone.
frotobaggins
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bump for more answers as summer is approaching........
Bimmer
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Batman said:
Well carbs I feel are necessary so Im trying to take in lots of them, but good ones of course. When ever I drop carbs my energy goes with it. As far as salt goes, im working on it. Im trying to eliminate all condiments and put absolutley no salt on any of my food. Are there any other good ways to take salt out?
StoneColdNTO
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I would really stay away from any diuretics..........unless you're competing, I don't see the point. There are other ways to eliminate your bloat. Are you taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) right now?
SomeBloke
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drink a lot of water, and drop the amount of sodium you ingest
water can only stay in the body if there is enough sodium there to make it osmotically equivalent to body fluids. get rid of sodium by flushing it out, of not eating it in the first place, and you will reduce or eliminate bloat
water can only stay in the body if there is enough sodium there to make it osmotically equivalent to body fluids. get rid of sodium by flushing it out, of not eating it in the first place, and you will reduce or eliminate bloat
Faye
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There is a total misconception that cutting salt will end bloat.
This was orginally posted on another board by Thunder:
Sodium is one of the most delicately controlled minerals in your body and you're not going to be able to voluntarily disrupt that balance for very long, before your body adapts and makes the necessary adjustments.
More sodium in = More sodium out.
By having a higher intake of sodium, you're simply setting your 'bar' higher. That is, what is considered 'normal' to your body is now higher. But the end of day balance will remain unchanged. Think about the Na/K balance b/w intracellular and extracellular compartments. You cannot change this more than transiently.
Elevated sodium levels keep aldosterone down. Aldosterone, when elevated, inhibits sodium loss and promotes reuptake of sodium in the kidneys. We don't want that. Provided one is drinking adequate fluids, the low levels of aldosterone will allow 'excess' sodium to be continually flushed.
What affects 'water retention' is changes in sodium intake. What is important is relative changes, and not absolute quantities.
If one day you drastically increase sodium intake above and beyond what is considered normal to your body, you're going to get some water retention. Sodium and water hydrogen bond with one another, so where sodium goes, water will follow.
Now, if you had increased sodium intake, and kept it at that higher intake, yes, you'd initially hold some water. However, once your body adapted, it would then eliminate the excess sodium (through blunted aldosterone levels), again to maintain the delicate balance. As already mention, where sodium goes, water follows, so that excess water you gained, will fall off you, even if you kept your sodium intake high.
Increases in blood volume (as a result of higher sodium intake) and the resultant improvement in nutrient delivery and waste removal is another benefit.
Low sodium when dieting is a monster mistake. It will eventually make you hold water (think aldosterone and Anti-Diuretic Hormone). For the competitive athlete, sodium should not be cut. This is one particular reason some bodybuilders can never completely fill out. Not enough salt. Throw the salt back in and whammo ... full and vascular, just like the day after the show.
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I don't completly agree with Thunder, I don't think body builders should practice high-sodium diets because of other health risks, but the basic ideas are there. It's realitive changes in the amount of sodium you consume that matter. If you are looking to sodium deplete, sodium load first for a few days while drinking mad amounts of water and your aldosterone levels will drop, cut sodium in half for three days in a row while at the same time cut water in half each day for 3 days and you'll pee off all your salt and the water will follow, result = dry dry dry.
However, this only works for a day at a time and is a common technique used my competitors to manipulate their water to get dry for a show.
My recommendation is leave your sodium alone more or less, just quit adding it to your foods, or buy some Lite Salt, which has half the sodium of regular salt and potassium instead. You can also buy some dandilion root tea and drink that occationally to help with water retention. Long term use of diuretics is not recommended.
This was orginally posted on another board by Thunder:
Sodium is one of the most delicately controlled minerals in your body and you're not going to be able to voluntarily disrupt that balance for very long, before your body adapts and makes the necessary adjustments.
More sodium in = More sodium out.
By having a higher intake of sodium, you're simply setting your 'bar' higher. That is, what is considered 'normal' to your body is now higher. But the end of day balance will remain unchanged. Think about the Na/K balance b/w intracellular and extracellular compartments. You cannot change this more than transiently.
Elevated sodium levels keep aldosterone down. Aldosterone, when elevated, inhibits sodium loss and promotes reuptake of sodium in the kidneys. We don't want that. Provided one is drinking adequate fluids, the low levels of aldosterone will allow 'excess' sodium to be continually flushed.
What affects 'water retention' is changes in sodium intake. What is important is relative changes, and not absolute quantities.
If one day you drastically increase sodium intake above and beyond what is considered normal to your body, you're going to get some water retention. Sodium and water hydrogen bond with one another, so where sodium goes, water will follow.
Now, if you had increased sodium intake, and kept it at that higher intake, yes, you'd initially hold some water. However, once your body adapted, it would then eliminate the excess sodium (through blunted aldosterone levels), again to maintain the delicate balance. As already mention, where sodium goes, water follows, so that excess water you gained, will fall off you, even if you kept your sodium intake high.
Increases in blood volume (as a result of higher sodium intake) and the resultant improvement in nutrient delivery and waste removal is another benefit.
Low sodium when dieting is a monster mistake. It will eventually make you hold water (think aldosterone and Anti-Diuretic Hormone). For the competitive athlete, sodium should not be cut. This is one particular reason some bodybuilders can never completely fill out. Not enough salt. Throw the salt back in and whammo ... full and vascular, just like the day after the show.
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I don't completly agree with Thunder, I don't think body builders should practice high-sodium diets because of other health risks, but the basic ideas are there. It's realitive changes in the amount of sodium you consume that matter. If you are looking to sodium deplete, sodium load first for a few days while drinking mad amounts of water and your aldosterone levels will drop, cut sodium in half for three days in a row while at the same time cut water in half each day for 3 days and you'll pee off all your salt and the water will follow, result = dry dry dry.
However, this only works for a day at a time and is a common technique used my competitors to manipulate their water to get dry for a show.
My recommendation is leave your sodium alone more or less, just quit adding it to your foods, or buy some Lite Salt, which has half the sodium of regular salt and potassium instead. You can also buy some dandilion root tea and drink that occationally to help with water retention. Long term use of diuretics is not recommended.
Faye
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If your bloat is related to the drugs, then no. I simply wanted to dispell the myth that decreasing your sodium intake would permenately help you with your bloat. Decreasing your sodium intake would help you drop some water in the short run, but wouldn't do anything to help it for very long. If your bloat is related to sodium intake, then yes.
What does your cycle look like? There may be another solution.
What does your cycle look like? There may be another solution.
Bimmer
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Monday I will be on my 4th week of test cyp at 400mg and dbol 30mg ED. I guess im just stuck with it. I definatly dont want to drop the dbol. Im loving the strenght gains and IM sure when I come off I will look much better. Also I will be adding tren in a few weeks so hopefully that will help with more definition.
Faye
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Tren will help giving you some more definition. You're just using the d-bol to kick-start your cycle right? When you drop the d-bol you'll shed a couple of pounds of water weight. Also, another option is to take a really low low dose of T3. Low doses of T3 can reduce bloat and increase protein synthesis without having a negative effect on your own thyriod, and because the dose is low, it won't cut into your gains. I know several men who use it this way and have had great results. Men usually take about 25mg of T3 a day for this purpose.
Bimmer
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Faye said:
Well I will be using the dbol for the first 6 weeks and was planning on doing it the last 3 weeks also. I am doing a 12 week cycle. As for the t3, I might be able to get a t3/clen combo at each of them being 125mcg. What would a good dosage for that be? SHould I stray away from the combo since it has clen that burns calories which Im trying to get as much of.
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