Docs's Test E journal
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DreDay187
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Thanks for the summary and your thoughts Ocdude. He does mention his book a lot but some of his articles will have links and if you check out his forum, he'll post a lot of links in there. I've read enough of his work to know his reasoning is generally sound but as you said, it's annoying when things aren't linked so you can verify conclusions he reached.
Lmao at the menstrual cycle. Believe it or not this guy at works always asks me if I'm going through e
Menopause because I complain about the heat (75+ degrees) everyday lmao. I swear like a pig, whine like a nagging woman, and get cranky ass hell in hot temperatures so maybe menstrual is a fit lmao.
I've heard and seen references to ghrelin but haven't looked into it much. Maybe it's time I do. I'm not familiar with peptides but thanks for the tip and ill check it out if I can't get my appetite back rough other means.
I enjoy reading your input brother, don't be a stranger in here. I've bumped up anastrozole to .4-.5mg/ED to combat E2 already and have been getting better libido and bloat are doing better so far and even my appetite increased slightly, had hunger pangs Friday at work for the first time in weeks even though my diet hasn't changed much or the timing. I do believe IF has benefits but GH is a tricky one to pin down. Read the following, which I wrote in an IF thread, and let me know your thoughts:
Docd187123 said:
I'm a fan of IF if its convenient for you and your schedule but to say you'll burn more fat and have higher hormone levels is not true. Not unless you plan on fasting for 24hours - 5days
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/pdf/jcinvest00482-0014.pdf
^^^a 16/8 fasting/feeding window is not the same as a 24-120hr fast. Its more than a stretch to reach the conclusions youve made and to call anyone an idiot for it.
My thoughts are fasting CAN increase GH secretion but in this study ^^^ it was a minimum 24hr fast and the best results were had after a 5day fast, both not in the realm of a typical IF diet. Also as noted, acute changes can vary from chronic, so we need to get some long-term fasting studies up in this bizznitch haha.
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Ocdude
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LMAO, hormones do crazy things to us! My first cycle of just Test E had me sweating like a pig in the middle of the night mid-winter. I was waking up in a pool every morning! I can only imagine what your E2 levels were doing, but I've read other posts talking about crying for no reason, and wondering what the hell was going on.
I've not actually tried the IF method in any sense other than with the intent of cutting. I tended to go for the 18 hour fast (stop eating by 6pm, hit the gym in the morning with heavy cardio and eat lunch as usual). But I would tend to agree with you on the overall duration of the 5d fast being much more effective (albeit generally obnoxious! and definitely impractical during a bulk) Essentially, since your system is shutting down (which doesn't really happen in 12-18 hours), the restart will be much more dramatic.
I also tried a month of Keto (which when you add in T3 and ECA) was a really great cutting method!
Incidentally, you're up 20+ pounds, did your brother notice at all?
I've not actually tried the IF method in any sense other than with the intent of cutting. I tended to go for the 18 hour fast (stop eating by 6pm, hit the gym in the morning with heavy cardio and eat lunch as usual). But I would tend to agree with you on the overall duration of the 5d fast being much more effective (albeit generally obnoxious! and definitely impractical during a bulk) Essentially, since your system is shutting down (which doesn't really happen in 12-18 hours), the restart will be much more dramatic.
I also tried a month of Keto (which when you add in T3 and ECA) was a really great cutting method!
Incidentally, you're up 20+ pounds, did your brother notice at all?
halfwit
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Halfwit, I stopped by to visit my brother today and for some reason or other he was watching Sponge Bob. Guess who instantly came to mind
Hahaha. Man, so much to read in this thread still! Glad you revived your log, I had honestly forgotten about it!
DreDay187
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Hahaha. Man, so much to read in this thread still! Glad you revived your log, I had honestly forgotten about it!
This threads for you Halfwit
Dude I sweat normally in the middle of winter in a t-shirt. That was BEFORE my cycle. Test E has made it WORSE. When I tried clen for a few days it made it WORSER lol. Besides physical sides I don't think E2 is doing much. Mood has been pretty good even after getting some bad news a few times, I go through slight bouts of depression here and there (have been since middle school), but nothing out of the ordinary. I did get enraged when some bs drama happened at my job and I was in the middle of it but I was able to control myself and keep myself from doing anything I'd regret or may cost me my job. I have a pretty good control over my thoughts and actions. I'm usually in full control of everything and put my self through little "tests" all the time just to see how strong willed I can be.
I did IF once a while back and loved it. It's a great way to control hunger on a cut (which is why many ppl recommend it for a cut over a bulk but can be utilized for both). Now I'm at the point where I just eat whenever I want while meeting energy and macro intake requirements (appetite has limited this to maintenance as we've been talking about).
I'm actually researching to get my sister to do a keto diet now, don't think IF would be good for her. She's a few years younger than me so obviously big bro has to help haha. She has problems losing weight (she's not fat thiugh but a little overweight) and she wants to drop maybe 10lbs of fat or so and increase lbm by 5-10lbs. The problem is she's diabetic (since 12yo) and hypothyroidic/Hashimoto hypothyroiditis. I'm trying to figure out how keto and IF would affect her and have asked a few ppl but her doctor thinks it'd be a bad idea. I can see how they would be limiting the times she eats and taking in almost no carbs but I want to find out for sure one way or another before implementing such protocols.
He's noticed yes but he knows I'm bulking for a while now, and has seen me a few times the last few months so its not like he saw me once sans the 20lbs and then again after lol. He's always calling me up for diet or training advice so he probably just thinks I'm working my ass off. I've never and probably will never initiate conversations with him about AAS. If he wants to that's fine and ill help guide him to making the right choice for himself but I've seen what drugs do to ppl (I used recreational drugs for many many years and while I never faced addiction and withdrawals, I probably wasn't far from there either) and I don't want to see him follow down my path with the Rec's. AAS is slightly different but again that's up to him to come to me about like he did with other shit when we were younger. He's on the straight and narrow and I'd like to see him stay that way. My whole family says I've been getting bigger and want me to stop lifting completely (I'm really not that big) but they are kind of biased and making appeals to an extreme, they say you don't want to look like those silly body builders on tv do you? And they're right, that's not my goal but I value physical strength so a side effect of that and aas is getting bigger lol. My cousin is the only one who knows about the gear but he's bitten the bullet for me in the past so my trust in him is unbreakable. He's gaining interest in running a cycle as he sees my progress but I told him if he's serious he has to get on a bulk first (he's 5'9" @ 162ish lbs 9-10% BF). He's pretty ripped but doesn't have lbm on him I'd like to see before jumping on gear (like to see 180ish lbs on him). Plus as a bonus, he's a pharmacist so I get the 411 on all the drugs And compounds I'm taking, he tells me about interactions, half lives, bioavailabilities, what's the best time of day for dosing with or without meals, the whole 9yards. He's got computer access to all the trials, studies, advisories, etc on every drug I could ever imagine
Got off topic by talking about the fam lol but wow had a crazy training session today. Make another post so this one isn't 17pages.
DreDay187
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So had a crazy lifting session today. Energy was through the roof, have broken past a few plateaus, ppl were staring at my intensity, and one of the personal trainers offered me a position on the spot (politely declined as I'd get in way too much trouble with the amount of smoking female members here, lots of Latinas and Brazilians, MY FAVORITES lol).
Squats (ATG) 3x5reps
Military Press (full stop at the bottom and full range motion) 3x5reps
Deadlifts (true DEADlifts, letting go and regripping each rep) 1x5reps (with volume warmups)
Weighted dips (45lbs) 3x8reps
BB curls and CG Bench Press supersets 3x8reps for each
Weighted incline sit-ups (75lbs) 4x8reps
Weighted stationary platform jumps (about navel height) 45lbs 3xfailure reps
Rope ladder footwork drills
NO CARDIO today the gym closed in me
. I know I'm going to regret all that work tomorrow but right now I feel great .
(politely declined as I'd get in way too much trouble with the amount of smoking female members here, lots of Latinas and Brazilians, MY FAVORITES lol). Squats (ATG) 3x5reps
Military Press (full stop at the bottom and full range motion) 3x5reps
Deadlifts (true DEADlifts, letting go and regripping each rep) 1x5reps (with volume warmups)
Weighted dips (45lbs) 3x8reps
BB curls and CG Bench Press supersets 3x8reps for each
Weighted incline sit-ups (75lbs) 4x8reps
Weighted stationary platform jumps (about navel height) 45lbs 3xfailure reps
Rope ladder footwork drills
NO CARDIO today the gym closed in me
. I know I'm going to regret all that work tomorrow but right now I feel great .
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DreDay187
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Had another good gym session yesterday. Appetite is slowly coming back. Had energy and aggression In the gym and made a new friend at the gym. Asked for a spot on my squats and the guy commented about how he's never seen someone get as low as I do and was impressed. Turns out he played football for WVU for 4yrs and was scouted by the NFL until he sustained a knee injury. Anyway got some good feedback on my form for a lot of lifts, pretty good form for the most part just a few things to watch out for
Squats 3 x 5reps
Military press 3 x 5reps
Deadlifts 1 x 5reps
Weighted hyperextensions
Weighted sit-ups
Box jumps
Squats 3 x 5reps
Military press 3 x 5reps
Deadlifts 1 x 5reps
Weighted hyperextensions
Weighted sit-ups
Box jumps
Ocdude
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So I've been pondering on the whole diabetic diet issue and oddly enough my coworker brought this up yesterday after his doc yelled at him about his weight, diabetes issues etc, and handed him a meal plan based on paleo diet. it seems like you could make a modified Keto plan work, or paleo seems to be popular for certain diabetics. And it appears with the right foods, might even be able to reduce insulin dependence. She would want to have glucose tabs or snacks on hand for those low blood sugar quick fixes. An overall balanced diet with lowered carb intake looks possible, But I ain't no endo or nutritionist!
DexterMorgan
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Lets see some progress pics =)))
DreDay187
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Thanks for looking out my man! I'm against Paleo for the most part bc of the arbitrary food restrictions and other things but to those that don't mind it there's nothing necessarily wrong with it. She rarely eats processed foods to begin with and shes got that new insulin pump thing and the tabs/needles as backup. I'm looking into the keto for her as I've seen ppl mention it has helped them off insulin dependence completely or significantly reduced the dependence but I want more evidence not just relying solely on unconfirmed reports. Looks like more studying is in order lol.
I'm going to do my best for you Dex but I HATE HATE pics lol. I went through a period of my life where I was not in any pictures for 11yrs. No class photos, family photos, nothing. I have a couple pics of before I started my current bulk, about a month or two before I began the cycle, to use as reference indicators. And will post final progress pics when I'm done with PCT and cutting. For now though I'll try and snap some pics tomorrow of my fat ass lol (bloated with water and been consuming a lot of milk and yogurt and dairy bloats me like a mofo). I am planning on taking measurements of chest, waist, thighs, arms etc tomorrow as well so keep an eye out for that.
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