Does anyone have any good explanation as to why this is happening.

[Megatron28]

High in carbs and high in fat (including bad fats, like vegetable oils ie corn oil).. But I don't think that many people eat these things as the media tends to want us to believe,, I can go to my local mcdonalds during the week at the peak of lunch hour and I will not have to wait in line..

The USDA did a study from 2005-2010, and found an increase in eating healthy of 47% for working age adults and %57 for older adults.. Note: eating healthy according to the usda is eating low fat and high carb, ie fruits, grains, while wheat,, and vegetables


Eating that processed cheese burger is prob not healthy .. Sure.. But plenty of Americans steer clear of mcdonalds and yet have obesity and health problems,, and it's not because they are on a high fat diet

On any given day, one third of Americans consume ground beef.

 

[Roush]

On any given day, one third of Americans consume ground beef.

Which would be an extremely good and healthy thing to do,, especially the fatty cuts..

But unfortunately Americans consume that meat along with breads and starchy carbs, and that's the problem.. Now they have an extreme spike in insulin,, and thus they drive their fats cells and cause insulin related health problems.

Keep the ground beef, drop the bread and starches,, and they would be just fine

 

[Hypnotix]

Hmm, Roush you are talking about individuals who eat carbohydrates in massive quantities every day.. and also have access to food whenever they want it. So they're eating 3 meals a day, plus snacks (cookies, pies, etc).

I'm curious about the effects of carbohydrates on individuals that don't get to eat as often as us then. A huge source of the Hunter/Gatherer's calorie intake was berries and other fruits.. simple sugars basically. The actual hunting wasn't the main squeeze, but more of a special occasion as it took so much energy to track and kill an animal, compared to picking fruits. This whole thing just got me thinking about that.

Like, what did insulin spikes do to those individuals.. they weren't usually fat, were much more active than people today, but still consumed carbs as their primary source of calories..

I'm gonna say that more than likely it's because being fat and unhealthy comes from eating in a calorie surplus consistently for many months or years, not from eating carbs. The reason we get fat now is because we're fucking eating all the time, and living sedentary lifestyles.. not from eating carbs or not eating fats, or vice versa.

So this just goes back to the original arguments.. people of western society today are fat because they are pussies that are not accountable, lay around, and eat whatever they want because they feel entitled to do so.

I don't think eating one macro over the other matters in terms of our societies average diet.. it's the way our society acts as a whole that is making this new fat fucking gold standard. Everyone is in a calorie surplus because they aren't doing anything but still eating all the time in excessive quantities.

 

[Hypnotix]

Which would be an extremely good and healthy thing to do,, especially the fatty cuts..

But unfortunately Americans consume that meat along with breads and starchy carbs, and that's the problem.. Now they have an extreme spike in insulin,, and thus they drive their fats cells and cause insulin related health problems.

Keep the ground beef, drop the bread and starches,, and they would be just fine

They could keep it all if they'd just exercise and live a more active life in general.

 

[Roush]

Apparently you guys missed this whole conversation from just a few days ago. KISS: it is calories. That is what it comes down to in the end. Just pretty much plain simple calories.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...knee-pain-after-squatting-5-plates-video.html

"Good calories Bad calories" by Gary Taubes

Not all calories are created equal,, calorie in vs calorie out is what has been taught for years.. New research is showing that calories are not that important,, throwing counting calories out the window completely .

Example diet -
100 G protein = 400 cal
300 g carbs = 1200 cal
50 g fat = 450 cal

= 2050 calories -- 1200 of which raise insulin and thus fat storage

Example diet
80 G protein = 320 cal
20 g carbs = 80 cal
184 g fat = 1656 cal

= 2056 calories -- Essentially no insulin spikes with that low of carb and thus no fat storage,,

Even if your calorie requirement is 1900 a day,, In example one,, excess calories will most definitely be stored as fat,, because insulin is constantly present ,, In example two it won't/can't because of the lack of insulin

 

[Roush]

They could keep it all if they'd just exercise and live a more active life in general.

If they were completely sedentary and ate only the fatty ground beef-- then they would not be fat. No exercise needed.

Why ? Because without the carb there is no insulin and insulin is the ONLY hormone in the body with the ability to store fat

 

[Roush]

Hmm, Roush you are talking about individuals who eat carbohydrates in massive quantities every day.. and also have access to food whenever they want it. So they're eating 3 meals a day, plus snacks (cookies, pies, etc).

I'm curious about the effects of carbohydrates on individuals that don't get to eat as often as us then. A huge source of the Hunter/Gatherer's calorie intake was berries and other fruits.. simple sugars basically. The actual hunting wasn't the main squeeze, but more of a special occasion as it took so much energy to track and kill an animal, compared to picking fruits. This whole thing just got me thinking about that.

Like, what did insulin spikes do to those individuals.. they weren't usually fat, were much more active than people today, but still consumed carbs as their primary source of calories..

I'm gonna say that more than likely it's because being fat and unhealthy comes from eating in a calorie surplus consistently for many months or years, not from eating carbs. The reason we get fat now is because we're fucking eating all the time, and living sedentary lifestyles.. not from eating carbs or not eating fats, or vice versa.

So this just goes back to the original arguments.. people of western society today are fat because they are pussies that are not accountable, lay around, and eat whatever they want because they feel entitled to do so.

I don't think eating one macro over the other matters in terms of our societies average diet.. it's the way our society acts as a whole that is making this new fat fucking gold standard. Everyone is in a calorie surplus because they aren't doing anything but still eating all the time in excessive quantities.

With the hunter/gatherer and their eating fruit or carbs for there primary source of food..

Yiur missing a huge thing here, especially for most Anglo Saxon,, WINTER.. Fruits and berries don't exactly grow in the winter, which in a large part of earth lasts a good 8 months of the year.. Also,, they didn't have world wide trade routes,, they weren't trading animal skins for bananas,, They had access to very little fruit,, only the things that grew in their local environment, in season, that they got to before the animals got to.. So because of seasons,, carbs were very limited in their diet.. A tasty treat once in awhile is all

Nutrients came from eating the WHOLE animal,, animals were available year round,, fruit was not

Eskimos are some of the healthiest people with little to no diseases,, they ate whale and seal meat and fat,, not fruits and veggies,, NO carbs

 

[Hypnotix]

You state clearly "excess calories will be stored as fat"

If people ate within their means, you know.. Like based on how many calories they burn from life, work, working out.. And don't go beyond that by much at all we wouldn't see so many fucking fat people.

The "average" diet doesn't need to be complicated or over thought to wipe out most of obesity.. Just shouldn't be so disgusting and excessive compared to the individuals physical activity. People need to be taught how much to eat based on their lifestyles.. not how to do no carb, low carb, cyclic ketogenic dieting..

This is a whole different subject, but..the whole fucking dieting thing is why inactive individuals lose every ounce of muscle mass by the time they're 40 yrs old..

The typical American gets this idea a couple times a year.. Hey! I don't want to be fat.. I'll get a gym membership and do Weight Watchers. So, they start eating decent.. they workout and eat right for maybe two weeks, they've broken themselves down from exercise and then quit the diet, quit the exercise, and go back to eating excessive shit and living sedentary .. every time, this process wears down their muscle, but then never lets it repair and they get fat on top of it. They just get fatter and weaker as they age because of this cycle of inconsistent exercising and dieting..

America needs to own up to their lack of knowledge on the subject of Fitness and Nutrition and start doing something about teaching the children of our future about living less excessively and being mindful of what we ingest. That consistency is important in the way of maintaining a healthy body.

I can see it being a little late to change the ways of the individuals who are already fat and don't care about being fat. Not many are willing to change in that ********** I could care less about them anyway..

 

[Hypnotix]

With the hunter/gatherer and their eating fruit or carbs for there primary source of food..

Yiur missing a huge thing here, especially for most Anglo Saxon,, WINTER.. Fruits and berries don't exactly grow in the winter, which in a large part of earth lasts a good 8 months of the year.. Also,, they didn't have world wide trade routes,, they weren't trading animal skins for bananas,, They had access to very little fruit,, only the things that grew in their local environment, in season, that they got to before the animals got to.. So because of seasons,, carbs were very limited in their diet.. A tasty treat once in awhile is all

Nutrients came from eating the WHOLE animal,, animals were available year round,, fruit was not

Eskimos are some of the healthiest people with little to no diseases,, they ate whale and seal meat and fat,, not fruits and veggies,, NO carbs

I think Eskimo is a really offensive word to them actually. But, I see what you're saying.

So, is the only reason we have the insulin system in our bodies is to store fat? Is that truly it's only function?

 

[Hypnotix]

You state clearly "excess calories will be stored as fat"

If people ate within their means, you know.. Like based on how many calories they burn from life, work, working out.. And don't go beyond that by much at all we wouldn't see so many fucking fat people.

The "average" diet doesn't need to be complicated or over thought to wipe out most of obesity.. Just shouldn't be so disgusting and excessive compared to the individuals physical activity. People need to be taught how much to eat based on their lifestyles.. not how to do no carb, low carb, cyclic ketogenic dieting..

This is a whole different subject, but..the whole fucking dieting thing is why inactive individuals lose every ounce of muscle mass by the time they're 40 yrs old..

The typical American gets this idea a couple times a year.. Hey! I don't want to be fat.. I'll get a gym membership and do Weight Watchers. So, they start eating decent.. they workout and eat right for maybe two weeks, they've broken themselves down from exercise and then quit the diet, quit the exercise, and go back to eating excessive shit and living sedentary .. every time, this process wears down their muscle, but then never lets it repair and they get fat on top of it. They just get fatter and weaker as they age because of this cycle of inconsistent exercising and dieting..

America needs to own up to their lack of knowledge on the subject of Fitness and Nutrition and start doing something about teaching the children of our future about living less excessively and being mindful of what we ingest. That consistency is important in the way of maintaining a healthy body.

I can see it being a little late to change the ways of the individuals who are already fat and don't care about being fat. Not many are willing to change in that ********** I could care less about them anyway..

I'll add hormone production slowing as well to the muscle loss.

 

[Roush]

I'm gonna say that more than likely it's because being fat and unhealthy comes from eating in a calorie surplus consistently for many months or years, not from eating carbs. The reason we get fat now is because we're fucking eating all the time, and living sedentary lifestyles.. not from eating carbs or not eating fats, or vice versa.

So this just goes back to the original arguments.. people of western society today are fat because they are pussies that are not accountable, lay around, and eat whatever they want because they feel entitled to do so.

And why do they eat all the time ? Because they are mainly eating carbs,, the only food that triggers an un-natural hunger response,, carbs stimulate appetite, and when you eat them you want to eat them again an hour later.. They are addictive.

Try eating just protein and fat for one week.. Guess what, you'll go from eating 6 meals a day and snacking to just eating 2-3 meals a day.. Why .. Cause the part of your brain that stimulates appetite is working naturally,, you only eat when your body is naturally hungry

 

[Roush]

I think Eskimo is a really offensive word to them actually. But, I see what you're saying.

So, is the only reason we have the insulin system in our bodies is to store fat? Is that truly it's only function?

Insulins function is to remove blood sugar, glucose, from the blood stream.. High Blood sugar is bad,, it gets too high and you die.. So when blood sugar is raised, glucose in blood stream (which comes from carbs).. Then insulin is released to get rid of the blood sugar in the blood,, it gets rid of it by storing it in fat, body fat and organ fat (fatty liver) and storing it in muscle tissues (glycogen)..


Similar to white blood cells-- when it sees an infection then white blood cells are sent to attack the infection.. Well when their is sugar in the blood then insulin is released to go "attack" the sugar and get it out of the blood.
Note: all carbs are converted to sugar/glucose


The natural human body has just one teaspoon of sugar in the whole body--
Go eat some bread, mashed potatoes, fruit, and a piece of pie for dessert.. Suddenly you have 15 teaspoons of sugar in your body,, this raises blood glucose levels,, you will die unless insulin is released to get that much sugar out of your blood.. So insulin grabs these sugars and gets them out of the blood quickly by depositing them in fat

 

[Hypnotix]

I'm equally as hungry when I only eat meat, nuts, oil, and veggies. Just saying. Especially if we're talking Beef, or Fish. Definitely easier to pack in more calories eating just that stuff too, less food weighing down the stomach. 400g of carbs gets tiring filling up my stomach so much.. that's for fucking sure.

 

[Westshore]

We are surrounded by synthetic chems. The ones we inject are likely the least of our worries. We drink from plastic, store our food in plastic, wash our dishes in plastic (unless you get a stainless steel interior dishwasher), and breath plastic. It is off-gasing in our cars and trucks, breaking down in our carpet fiber (note: purchase carpet made from Nylon 6), not to mention the fxxking fire retardant in our mattresses, couches, and paints. It's fxxking scarey.

Remember back a few years when the Barbie Dream Car (or some other f'd toy) had so much GHB in the plasticizer that little kids were getting high just mouthing the toys? Great...take your kids to Toys are Us and watch your three year old get high.

Anyhow--enough of my rant.

Yes, we are bathed in synthetic chems, hormones, and additives. Too bad plastic isn't conditioned with testosterone.
Maybe that's our salvation to pussyfication.

 

[Hypnotix]

Removing sugars from the blood would be irrelevant if your not consuming carbs. I can understand that.

But, is there any benefit to glycogen storage in muscle tissue? Does it benefit muscular endurance, usable mass, anything that would help performance in any way? Doesn't insulin cause growth to some extent, or signal for growth?

 

[Megatron28]

If they were completely sedentary and ate only the fatty ground beef-- then they would not be fat. No exercise needed.

Why ? Because without the carb there is no insulin and insulin is the ONLY hormone in the body with the ability to store fat

What? You cannot eat 12K calories of ground beef daily and lay in bed all day and not get fat! Try drinking 8 gallons of olive oil a day and see what happens (assuming you don't have the shits all day or die of scurvy). This is just plain wrong. Calories matter.

 

[Westshore]

We are surrounded by synthetic chems. The ones we inject are likely the least of our worries. We drink from plastic, store our food in plastic, wash our dishes in plastic (unless you get a stainless steel interior dishwasher), and breath plastic. It is off-gasing in our cars and trucks, breaking down in our carpet fiber (note: purchase carpet made from Nylon 6), not to mention the fxxking fire retardant in our mattresses, couches, and paints. It's F-ing scarey.

Remember back a few years when the Barbie Dream Car (or some other f'd toy) had so much GHB in the plasticizer that little kids were getting high just mouthing the toys? Great...take your kids to Toys are Us and watch your three year old get high.

Anyhow--enough of my rant.

 

[Roush]

What? You cannot eat 12K calories of ground beef daily and lay in bed all day and not get fat! Try drinking 8 gallons of olive oil a day and see what happens (assuming you don't have the shits all day or die of scurvy). This is just plain wrong. Calories matter.

It would be difficult to eat 12000 calories a day if you were to only eat meat and fat with no carbs,, you would have to force yourself to do that because you don't have carbs in the diet stimulating appetite ..


Not sure why you took my comment and turned it into eating 12k calories a day though,, I simply said that they could keep the ground beef in the diet, which is perfectly healthy,, and drop the starchy carbs with the ground beef and they would be better off

 

[Hypnotix]

It would be difficult to eat 12000 calories a day if you were to only eat meat and fat with no carbs,, you would have to force yourself to do that because you don't have carbs in the diet stimulating appetite ..


Not sure why you took my comment and turned it into eating 12k calories a day though,, I simply said that they could keep the ground beef in the diet, which is perfectly healthy,, and drop the starchy carbs with the ground beef and they would be better off

Maybe he eats 12,000 calories a day

So.. are we talking no carb or very low carb? Cause I'll make you some peanut butter chicken.. you tell me if it doesn't make you hungry for it all the time! As in peanut butter has some carbs.. most things have a little bit.

 

[Roush]

Maybe he eats 12,000 calories a day

So.. are we talking no carb or very low carb? Cause I'll make you some peanut butter chicken.. you tell me if it doesn't make you hungry for it all the time! As in peanut butter has some carbs.. most things have a little bit.

That's about the 'pallet' more then the brains chemical response with appetite.. If I eat peanut butter it will make my taste buds hungry for something salty..

I used to eat 6 meals a day plus snacks,, when I was eating plenty of carbs,, I was hungry constantly.

I've been without carbs for ten days now,, I have to force myself to eat 3 meals a day,, I'm really only hungry for breakfast.. Why this sudden change ? Cause Carbs are not manipulating my brains appetite any longer and I'm in my natural state