Does anyone take Kratom to help with recovery and also tren sides

If I can get addicted to sex, the gym or even eating how come kratom is not addictive. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa to you sir.

By the way I am sipping some Kratom tonight because I can't get enough. It keeps calling me and calling me. (jk, I am a drug professional)
 
Therealkozmo said:
You can get addicted to kratom. If you don't think so it is because you are on drugs. You aren't thinking clearly. Also, it in no way helps with recovery. In fact, it hinders it. I have some names for you but I have been told to not flame. I will say this, if you feel you need a opiate after a work out you need to reduce the intensity in the gym. Please do some research before posting things like this
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It does not hinder recovery. I recover faster from it. It reduces my stress and lessons sides from tren. Think what you want but it's improved the quality of my life. I just competed at a shredded 265 lbs so if it hinders recovery then Idon't see it.
 
Queefer said:
I respect your opinion and thankyou for sharing that with me. If you read up on kratom and depression, and also kratom and pain management, you will see thousands of cases that kratom was beneficial. Do you know why it's still legal? It's because bills have been voted down that tried to regulate and or ban it. It has helped an enourmous amount of people improve upon their life. Yes some can abuse it , but there will always be those types of people.
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I don't think any drugs should be banned. Kratom is definitely helpful to some people. It has helped people get off stronger drugs like hydrocodone and oxycodone. It's a good alternative to stronger opiates for people with chronic pain. I don't believe it's a healthy choice overall for most people.

I used it occasionally (and also actual opiates) for about 10 years before I saw the downsides to it. These days a single 2 gram dose of kratom leaf will put me in withdrawal for 3 or 4 days. A single 5 milligram vicodin will put me in withdrawal for 3 or 4 days. Post acute withdrawal syndrome can last for months after a single dose. Everything feels boring; nothing seems fun anymore. I haven't taken any opioid since my last surgery in 2012, but I know they'll affect me the same way if I took them now.

I'm not against drugs in general. Obviously. I prefer a different plant, one that's non-addictive and legal here in California. I can use that one responsibly on the weekends and still feel great during the week. Kratom hasn't worked that way for me for a long time.
 
m314 said:
I don't think any drugs should be banned. Kratom is definitely helpful to some people. It has helped people get off stronger drugs like hydrocodone and oxycodone. It's a good alternative to stronger opiates for people with chronic pain. I don't believe it's a healthy choice overall for most people.

I used it occasionally (and also actual opiates) for about 10 years before I saw the downsides to it. These days a single 2 gram dose of kratom leaf will put me in withdrawal for 3 or 4 days. A single 5 milligram vicodin will put me in withdrawal for 3 or 4 days. Post acute withdrawal syndrome can last for months after a single dose. Everything feels boring; nothing seems fun anymore. I haven't taken any opioid since my last surgery in 2012, but I know they'll affect me the same way if I took them now.

I'm not against drugs in general. Obviously. I prefer a different plant, one that's non-addictive and legal here in California. I can use that one responsibly on the weekends and still feel great during the week. Kratom hasn't worked that way for me for a long time.
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Funny you say that about your favorite drug bc a lot of medical experts say pot is addictive. I'm glad you have found something that works for you. I smoked pot a while back and hated it, it just made me feel aweful and messed up. Kratom has never made me feel that way.
 
The thread will be closed pussyfart or señor de queef. You are using it as a drug meaning you can easily get pimp slapped by dea or FDA. Yes FDA has guns and they use them. I am not supposed to flame. The great think about you is you flame yourself
 
weeds legal in states of the us and all around the world but we don't talk about it same with prescription meds soo sorry.. kratom is should also be looked at in the same way..

and you seem like an addict by the way your defending the stuff i dont care if your 260 ripped dope fiend or a 140 holocaust victim dope fiend, you're still a dope fiend
 
op

this ain t na aa or anything like it ok.??

Go to general discussion..or any other forum..I ll not close this yet to give you a chance to pop off fuck up and get banned or start another elsewhere. Anything other than an apology or oops and and re boot your history. I am a former pill head and I feel your pain but I ll end your existence here if you do not adhere to the rules and larn self control the real root of your issues.

GOOD FKN MORNING.

ya ll do not feed this issue anymore please...
strike 1 and 2

ur move
 
QUEEFER

I do not have the time nor inclination to be reading your pm s so do not send me another. You took a back door approach to justify getting high on whatever and as your obviously defending and justifying your desire to do to whatever...go fkn do it but not here not now and never ever pm over some b s like whatever you wrote. I ll shut you down as an example for others.
10 posts and your gonna " bother me " ? Before I even had time to get irritated over something in my life that matters or this..my ONLY forum ?

When you have 500 posts and 6 months in and need help either with a real problem or adjusting your weight belt for 500 plus squats or deads or a relevant issue pm me.

I m clearing my in box. if you want to be a ghost pm me again.
 
Teutonic said:
QUEEFER

I do not have the time nor inclination to be reading your pm s so do not send me another. You took a back door approach to justify getting high on whatever and as your obviously defending and justifying your desire to do to whatever...go fkn do it but not here not now and never ever pm over some b s like whatever you wrote. I ll shut you down as an example for others.
10 posts and your gonna " bother me " ? Before I even had time to get irritated over something in my life that matters or this..my ONLY forum ?

When you have 500 posts and 6 months in and need help either with a real problem or adjusting your weight belt for 500 plus squats or deads or a relevant issue pm me.

I m clearing my in box. if you want to be a ghost pm me again.
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I pmd you and told you I have 1000's of posts here under a handle I can't retrieve bc I cant find the password. I told you I have a thread here with 10000 views where I helped the members here and took my time to answer everyones questions for a month , and did so with the utmost respect . I am a long time vet here and have earned respect but you couldn't take your valuable 5 seconds to read that, so that' on you.
 
so ur incompetence is on me..I can handle it. 1000 post in a month...bold statement.

,,,,,but I acknowledge my mistakes and I made one by not taking 5 minutes out of a very busy day..to un fuck your incompetence...ok. With 4 full time daughters and an 8 yr old 1200 miles away and a full time job here and in the real world ...I fail to see where I should spend 1 second researching who you are vs who you were but OK,

It appears you need to locate a password or request a new one.... and I need to just move or delete threads.

My apologies...I stand corrected.
 
Chicago712 said:
That is exactly why I always preach how testosterone is a horrible steroid and should only be ran to replace natural test levels and supplement with other quality compounds for gains... But this is only utilized after knowing how ones body react to each compounds
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Could you please explain why do u think test is a horrible steroid? I'm sure I missed something
I'm asking cuz I want to know , not the way the OP raised the same question.
 
Therealkozmo said:
He is reffering to the anabolic effect of other compounds being higher.
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Yes sure bro I see this..
But Chicago said it's a horrible steroid and that was the part I couldn't get..
Anyways , if he means that other drugs are more anabolic , then we all agree.
At my age, and as I'm still pct-ing , test var and tbol are the only compounds I ll be using.
 
Rida5d said:
Could you please explain why do u think test is a horrible steroid? I'm sure I missed something
I'm asking cuz I want to know , not the way the OP raised the same question.
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This advice is only for experienced users who know how they react to various compounds... soo this isn't a suggestion for people on their first cycle to utilize this type of methodology..

Testosterone is the most important and most unwanted compound of all - (In every cycle we do need testosterone as a base to maintain all the functions that testosterone is used for; however when levels are raised higher then what is needed to maintain healthy levels the side effects seem to skyrocket at this level)

Let's say this is someone 3rd cycle and they are interested in putting on as much LBM as possible - and in the past they've used deca, test, and EQ and know how all 3 of these compounds react..

This person is planning to run around 1g of AAS a week

he can decide to run either

1g of testosterone or 750mg test / 250 deca

or

250mg testosterone and 750 EQ/Deca a week

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Not only will the cycle with less test avoid tons of estrogen related sides, it would also leave you more anabolic... it's the same type of reasoning as high tren low test----


I've came to the conclusion that dosing and timing are very important when it comes to planning a cycle especially for a fitness competitor or anyone who is trying to maintain relatively lean physique while trying to increase LBM
 
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Explain to me exactly WHY low test cycles are more anabolic compared to high?

I think this is complete bs but I'll give you a chance to justify it first :)
 
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