does marijuana actually lower natty gh and tesosterone?
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PrinceDianabol
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Yes, it can do. Zilla posted some studies on it not long ago. I think occasional use would be fine, nothing to stress over... but chronic use would be a different story. Slightly more difficult to lose fat/gain muscle.
do hormones level go bck to normal once thc leaves the brain?
PrinceDianabol
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I believe so. From memory it simply interacts with conversion from T --> e2. Let me see if I can dig up Zilla's posts and get back to you..
PrinceDianabol
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Hmm, the above is all I could find. I'm starting to think the hormonal interactions was only in animal studies... can't remember. Either way, the consensus is that it's no good for bodybuilding goals, regardless or cutting or bulking.
Like I said though, occasional use isn't going to stop you from reaching your goals.
Mrrippedzilla
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The hormonal effect is acute and nothing to worry about with occasional use 
juced_porkchop
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actually cannabis has fat burning properties.... ofcourse if you eat like a pig you will still gain fat and it wont hurt gains and the cancer fighting and preventative cancer effects it has i would rec it be a staple supp tbh... IF over 23 or so. if you are too young to use aas then chances are you should avoid cannabis or limit it unless you have cancer or some other medical issue.
cannabis acts alot like hormone in body and just like with early aas use, early cannabis use I feel can potentially mess with development.
although I am all for cannabis use and its likely one of the only things i have researched more than aas and training/diet.
for a good read or to look up a specific illness that can be helped google "granny storm crows list"
she has a fb page and a site with a massive compilation of actual science research on many things related and also some exp from others (eg, 6yr saved when docs said no more hope for her brain tumors)
in short i would not worry much about hgh blunting * id like to see more data that shows a significance WITH its research conditions*
and worry more about potential developmental issues more so. also cannabinoids help burn fat, given that the persons diet doesnt change just due to using said compound and also it seems to enhance insulin responsiveness (pub med it) so there are a WIDE array of things to take in when researching this topic , its not a clear cut and simple plant or topic.
juced_porkchop
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iv also seen studies showing enhanced function. also yes it will make you hungry, a simple healthy snack or protein drink with good fats would likely help goals, or some bcaas in a cup of water while cutting if very strict.
look into the insulin and fatloss studies. well controlled , not people that just smoke with no willpower, chances are they did eat more and would get fatter... people like us in this feild of passion i feel have better control and understanding when it comes to just eating what you feel like etc.
Mrrippedzilla
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Yea...because a drug that increase Ghrelin by 40+%, the MAIN appetite stimulating hormone in the body, is going to be awesome at burning fat and helping people diet right? LOL
To quote 3J:
But hey, what do I know, I only do this for a living
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Milton
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Lower sperm count when consuming THC, and good on you for being self aware that you are too young to start a cylce, make damn sure to read all the stickies and ask away and when your 24 years old or and ready your going to be all the better, all the best, mon.
juced_porkchop
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cup of green teat before you have some to ward of extra hunger. I have been a medical cannabis user for about 10 years now. once you build up tolerance and slowly increase amount, the "munchies" are minimal and the build up cannabis helpful.Yea...because a drug that increase Ghrelin by 40+%, the MAIN appetite stimulating hormone in the body, is going to be awesome at burning fat and helping people diet right? LOL
To quote 3J:
But hey, what do I know, I only do this for a living
yes using peptides that are of Ghrelins structure and have similar effects are also worthless i guess???
but hey what to i know... Iv only researched this for most of my lifetime....
Hypnotix
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Man that was a little shitty of you Ripped.
Just because you get super hungry doesn't mean you have to eat bad.
I understand that many fall into it, being high and hungry.. but for those who have self control despite their lowered inhibitions, it's pretty harmless. Anything can be an aide if utilized properly.
Just because you get super hungry doesn't mean you have to eat bad.
I understand that many fall into it, being high and hungry.. but for those who have self control despite their lowered inhibitions, it's pretty harmless. Anything can be an aide if utilized properly.
Teutonic
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Like AAS long term empirical analysis of weed will only focus on the negative, mostly with marijuana. Always with AAS.
Both Zilla and Juiced are both my superiors in clinical studies and quoting findings.
And the Boss M was and is correct.
An occasional bong hit or puff off a joint after work is fine .. uneducated opinion presented.
I think very small amounts are irrelevant like a beer after mowing the yard but for me personally====
Alcohol is useless.
Weeds illegal, I got a son.
MS is the dark ages legally and demographically. 1 roach u go to jail. So why risk it ?
Dude I m older. I never ride dirty; my car is always s ready for a search. I can beat any drug test given 12 hour s warning.
Educate urself, be smart. U want to be a muscle building monster or an average lifter. Jail food sux; the conversation lacking the floors hard. I d burn weed, little bit s at night but now, or for the past 15 years...I get panicked. But-- 1 less thing to worry about for me.
Like AAS long term empirical analysis of weed will only focus on the negative, mostly with marijuana. Always with AAS.
Both Zilla and Juiced are both my superiors in clinical studies and quoting findings.
And the Boss M was and is correct.
An occasional bong hit or puff off a joint after work is fine .. uneducated opinion presented.
I think very small amounts are irrelevant like a beer after mowing the yard but for me personally====
Alcohol is useless.
Weeds illegal, I got a son.
MS is the dark ages legally and demographically. 1 roach u go to jail. So why risk it ?
Dude I m older. I never ride dirty; my car is always s ready for a search. I can beat any drug test given 12 hour s warning.
Educate urself, be smart. U want to be a muscle building monster or an average lifter. Jail food sux; the conversation lacking the floors hard. I d burn weed, little bit s at night but now, or for the past 15 years...I get panicked. But-- 1 less thing to worry about for me.
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juced_porkchop
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Think of cannabis as more of a potential healer. its not like a drug with no help to the body and only to mess up a mind. like booze or your avrg street drug..
I agree drugs and booze should. but peoples definitions very. to me coffee is a drug, and so it cannabis, but that doesnt make them bad. but booze which is not seen by many as a drug IS one, depending on YOUR definition of that label.
if its just whats BAD for you in most cases type of compound then i agree stay away from them, body building or not!! i have a cup or two of red wine or a beer with dinner once and a while, rarely will i have more than that. just not good for you IMO
juced_porkchop
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I agree man, the laws are kinda messed up. you need to worry about your kid and jail if having a J, but your free to go drink a bottle of vodka if you felt like it.... :/
I like that the legalities are changing with it finally... prohibition is a joke IMO.
Im in Canada and our laws are more (or where more lol) laxed than alot of places, but many are now advancing and us soon too i hope.
anyways OP if under 25 keep it to a min IMO atleast till 22 unless you need it medically
Roush
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munchies and 'the giggles' are for cannabis using newbies.. I think the whole "munchies" thing is a bit blown out of proportion and sensationalized, especially by people who don't partake and rely on urban legend and hollywood movies for their views on cannabis usage.
is appetite stimulated, sure, sometimes,, also depends on the strand of the cannabis plant itself, with varying strains having different effects.
BUT , a 'study' (yeah one of those things that everyone uses as some sort of proof, even though studies are like assholes and everyone has one),, found that occasional marijuana users were healthier (diet wise) and had a lower BMI and had less risk of obesity and diabetes then people who do not partake.
Study: Marijuana Users Less Vulnerable To Obesity, Diabetes | The Daily Caller
So there may be something to what Juiced Porkchop is saying about cannabis use and 'fat loss'.. I've got more reason to listen to someone about cannabis use that actually uses cannabis and has taken the time to look into it, just like I have more reason to listen to someone about AAS use that ACUTALLY uses AAS (hint hint rip,, i.e., if your still the hypocrite that talks a big talk about AAS use but has never taken the plunge himself).
Note: and I'm not a recreational partaker of cannabis,, I've used it legally for a medical condition I no longer have, and thus no longer use it.. but the negative myths and falsehood and scare tactics about its use should be thrown out the window (including the munchies and your going to get fat and eat a lot if you partake myth)
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