Effects of AAS on the young

[tex24]

Do you guys have any good medical articles or studies regarding the negatives of AAS usage at a young age? Another board I am on has several members who seem to like advocating oral only (especially var) cycles and general usage for teens if they know exactly what they are doing. They say there is no evidence of any difference between a 17-19 year old using gear and a 25+ year old. I'd love to see some studies and evidence showing otherwise in terms of how the HPTA is effected etc. I personally feel like AAS usage can't be good at all if a person isn't fully developed in terms of the HPTA and hormone wise, even if they are "done growing" like many say. Let me know if you guys know of anything good! Should turn into an informative thread!

Edit* this isn't for me, I am 23 and am already running test/dbol at the moment

 

[Austinite]

There would not be any studies on the young and steroids. That would be unethical medical practice. Any board that advocates oral only is packed with children that should refrain from advising anyone.

There is evidence. Have X-Rays done and you will see very quickly that anyone 17 to 19 is not developed. It's the single most simple process. Certainly not rocket science. I'll see if I can find any experiences that have provided blood work.

 

[tex24]

There would not be any studies on the young and steroids. That would be unethical medical practice. Any board that advocates oral only is packed with children that should refrain from advising anyone.

There is evidence. Have X-Rays done and you will see very quickly that anyone 17 to 19 is not developed. It's the single most simple process. Certainly not rocket science. I'll see if I can find any experiences that have provided blood work.

Yeah that's a good point regarding ethics. Anecdotal evidence would be great then.

It annoys me when members recommend oral only, saying oh var is mild you'll be just fine without test, my friend ran var and sdol and is completely fine etc etc. Also when they say there isn't any evidence young usage is any different aside from maybe closing plates. I try to give my advice and opinions regarding both but I just get people saying "var only is fine it's mild and no big deal" and "there is no science backing your claims of negative effects on HPTA in young users" etc etc.

I often make the point that just because your FRIEND did it and APPEARS/TELLS YOU he is fine, doesn't mean he is or that it will be the same for others!

Just looking for some solid reasoning, evidence and arguments to back the RIGHT side of these discussions

You're the man Austinite!

 

[Rumpy]

Docd teased a story about dbol yesterday. It's anecdotal, but maybe he'll share it here.

 

[bigtimechief]

I'm glad you're looking into this properly. If you're looking for horror stories or anecdotal evidence, they're out there. I can't count how many panicked teens pop up on the forum needing help "rebooting" their natural test amongst other problems.

 

[Austinite]

I'm glad you're looking into this properly. If you're looking for horror stories or anecdotal evidence, they're out there. I can't count how many panicked teens pop up on the forum needing help "rebooting" their natural test amongst other problems.

I agree. And I should have patted him on the back for that in my first post. Great work, OP. Proper research leads to success, no doubt.

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

Teens have no business with AAS. The main reasons would be 1)permanently fucking up their hpta 2) most teens have no fucking clue what proper nutrition is 3) 99% haven't trained long enough to reach their genetic potential 4) they're not mature enough to handle the effects AAS can bring(mentally and physically) 5) seems silly to order gear when you're still living with mommy and daddy(legal ramifications) 6) they assume gear will magically blow them up(if only they knew) 7) they already have natty high test, so gears a waste.. I could go on and on why teens shouldn't use, but I think I've made my point

 

[tex24]

Awesome thanks guys. Yeah I've always heard things but wanted some solid evidence, whether anecdotal or scientific, to help convince this slow thinking age group otherwise! I edited the OP but this isn't for me, I'm 23 and am already on test/dbol

 

[DreDay187]

Docd teased a story about dbol yesterday. It's anecdotal, but maybe he'll share it here.

I got the story brother but Tex kind of disqualified it by saying "if they know exactly what they're doing". The story I got involves a two brothers, the 24yo had a decent cycle but the 19yo followed typical Internet knowledge and almost died. I'll put it up in here when I get out so I can double check some of the facts before posting it.

 

[Austinite]

My story is a little different and probably extreme, so I'm not saying at all, that this will happen to everyone, but it's something to consider.

I was 19 or 20. Started my 1st cycle. Ate like a horse, got big, felt like King of the World. Took enough to shut me down for a good amount of time. Started to feel sluggish towards the end and quit my cycle early. A few months later I started to notice a dark spot on my shoulder. Didn't think much of it. The next month I am wrapping up with a gorgeous girl after a couple hours of incredible sex. As I got up to walk to the bathroom, she says "OH MY GOD!" - I said... "Yep, I get that a lot", being all cocky. She said "No, look at your back!" - so I go to the mirror and my entire back is covered in dark spots, ALL OVER IT. Very embarrassing. I go see a doc and he tells me it's hyper pigmentation. At the time I told him what I took (I would never do that today), and he confirmed it was from the gear. He said it's possible in those who are acne prone or have some sort of sensitivity. Tried every topical, pill, injection you could think of. Nothing worked. It spread to my shoulders and stopped at my delts.

Fast forward about 5 or 6 years. Erections started to get weak. Didn't think much of it. Another year goes by... WTF??! No wood. Nothing. Started to research on my own because I didn't want to go see the doc. Tried everything OTC. Nothing helped.

When I turned 27, I decided enough is enough, I have GOT to get laid. So I went to the doc. After results, the doc says "Austinite, you do not produce any natural testosterone ." Numbers are too low to count. Well? What does that mean? Fix me, Doc! Ok, you will need to administer Testosterone Injections. Ok.. no problem, how many injections? two? Three? Doc says, No. For the rest of your life.

I said no thanks! And I left. Back to my research...

I fell into deep depression. Friends are all going out and partying. Everyone has a hot broad on their side. I'm sitting at home, depressed out of my brains. 2 years later (I will not go into detail, but suicidal thoughts were very frequent). Got on anti-depressants and was addicted for a short while until I snapped out of it. Finally at age 31, I had enough and went into a longevity clinic for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

So today, at age 37, I produce no natural testosterone, I am a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient for life, I still have to use cialis to get an erection, I have to use oxytocin and lecithin to ejaculate and lastly, no matter how much I grow, get big and get a rockin' body, I can never take my shirt off in public. That REALLY sucks. Especially when I'm at the beach, seeing random guys showing off and I know... I look better.

Are these all common for everyone? No. But I heard about the dangers before I did that cycle. You know what the last thing I said before I injected? "THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO ME!"

 

[halfwit]

Thank you for sharing your story Austinite. I feel that is not only brave of you to share your experiences, but helps the community tremendously as many don't recognize the dangers that can come with AAS at any age, especially during the final stages of development. If you don't mind me asking, what compound caused your spots? I had never heard of hyperpigmentation being caused by stuff we use, and is one reason I'm leery about MT2, although I don't know if it can cause that.

 

[Austinite]

Thank you for sharing your story Austinite. I feel that is not only brave of you to share your experiences, but helps the community tremendously as many don't recognize the dangers that can come with AAS at any age, especially during the final stages of development. If you don't mind me asking, what compound caused your spots? I had never heard of hyperpigmentation being caused by stuff we use, and is one reason I'm leery about MT2, although I don't know if it can cause that.

Thanks, Buddy. If it can delay one young guy's use, I'm happy.

 

[Ocdude]

I've been itching all day to get home to this thread LOL... I hated doing research in college, but some how the current subject matter is way more intriguing than the "Role of Women in Early American Wars" (as I remember one of my nut job feminist professors required)!

I geek out when it comes to finding shit online... So I'll be back! Here's one to chew on in the meantime...

The physical and psychological dependance on AAS in young adopters (too much to read at the moment):
Anabolic Steroid Abuse - Google Books

An older but interesting social survey of high school students on potential reasons for AAS use (and discussion of life-long use and potential for introduction to other illicit drugs):
http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/3/322.full.pdf+html

Wish I had access to the full Texts of half the studies I'm finding! Here's an abstract on the effect of steroidal hormones in the organizational structure of the brain during adolescent growth:

Here we review structural neuroimaging studies and show that the changes in sex steroids availability during puberty and adolescence might trigger a period of structural reorganization of grey and white matter in the developing human brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21335066

And here's another study suggesting the same concept, indicating to me that the crucial developmental time during adolescense is NOT the time to introduce exogenous hormones, lest you risk destroying the natural balance created in your body in order to develop your brain (and body) to its genetically intended potential:
https://www.msu.edu/~sisk/publications/pdfs/schulzetal_2009_backtothefuture.pdf

 

[ForeverAesthetic]

My story is a little different and probably extreme, so I'm not saying at all, that this will happen to everyone, but it's something to consider.

I was 19 or 20. Started my 1st cycle. Ate like a horse, got big, felt like King of the World. Took enough to shut me down for a good amount of time. Started to feel sluggish towards the end and quit my cycle early. A few months later I started to notice a dark spot on my shoulder. Didn't think much of it. The next month I am wrapping up with a gorgeous girl after a couple hours of incredible sex. As I got up to walk to the bathroom, she says "OH MY GOD!" - I said... "Yep, I get that a lot", being all cocky. She said "No, look at your back!" - so I go to the mirror and my entire back is covered in dark spots, ALL OVER IT. Very embarrassing. I go see a doc and he tells me it's hyper pigmentation. At the time I told him what I took (I would never do that today), and he confirmed it was from the gear. He said it's possible in those who are acne prone or have some sort of sensitivity. Tried every topical, pill, injection you could think of. Nothing worked. It spread to my shoulders and stopped at my delts.

Fast forward about 5 or 6 years. Erections started to get weak. Didn't think much of it. Another year goes by... WTF??! No wood. Nothing. Started to research on my own because I didn't want to go see the doc. Tried everything OTC. Nothing helped.

When I turned 27, I decided enough is enough, I have GOT to get laid. So I went to the doc. After results, the doc says "Austinite, you do not produce any natural testosterone ." Numbers are too low to count. Well? What does that mean? Fix me, Doc! Ok, you will need to administer Testosterone Injections. Ok.. no problem, how many injections? two? Three? Doc says, No. For the rest of your life.

I said no thanks! And I left. Back to my research...

I fell into deep depression. Friends are all going out and partying. Everyone has a hot broad on their side. I'm sitting at home, depressed out of my brains. 2 years later (I will not go into detail, but suicidal thoughts were very frequent). Got on anti-depressants and was addicted for a short while until I snapped out of it. Finally at age 31, I had enough and went into a longevity clinic for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

So today, at age 37, I produce no natural testosterone, I am a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient for life, I still have to use cialis to get an erection, I have to use oxytocin and lecithin to ejaculate and lastly, no matter how much I grow, get big and get a rockin' body, I can never take my shirt off in public. That REALLY sucks. Especially when I'm at the beach, seeing random guys showing off and I know... I look better.

Are these all common for everyone? No. But I heard about the dangers before I did that cycle. You know what the last thing I said before I injected? "THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO ME!"

Thanks for the story. But I have a few questions:

Firstly what compound or compounds were you running for your first cycle, and at what dosages? This is important information left out of your story.

Secondly, why can't you take your shirt off if you have a better body than most at the beach? I don't understand why you can't take your shirt off.

Thirdly, this is quite some time ago now so there would have been less information around regarding steroids. Did you use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle and follow a correct PCT procedure? Please don't just say you did if you didn't just so your story has more credibility.

Thanks.

 

[Austinite]

Thanks for the story. But I have a few questions:

Firstly what compound or compounds were you running for your first cycle, and at what dosages? This is important information left out of your story.

Secondly, why can't you take your shirt off if you have a better body than most at the beach? I don't understand why you can't take your shirt off.

Thirdly, this is quite some time ago now so there would have been less information around regarding steroids. Did you use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle and follow a correct PCT procedure? Please don't just say you did if you didn't just so your story has more credibility.

Thanks.

test and EQ, I dont recall details, were talking over 17 years ago.

I don't feel comfortable taking off my shirt. Most of my body is pigmented as I stated.

Please don't insult me with you assumption that I would mask any truth, I think I've spent plenty of time servicing your many questions in private and in public (even after you lashed at me) and might have earned a little bit more respect than that. Shame on you for saying that.

I used an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), back then PCT was tapering off, no one PCT'd.

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

test and EQ, I dont recall details, were talking over 17 years ago.

I don't feel comfortable taking off my shirt. Most of my body is pigmented as I stated.

Please don't insult me with you assumption that I would mask any truth, I think I've spent plenty of time servicing your many questions in private and in public (even after you lashed at me) and might have earned a little bit more respect than that. Shame on you for saying that.

I used an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), back then PCT was tapering off, no one PCT'd.

I bet forever aesthetic is another teen.. Just by the looks of those posts. It's sad so many kids have to resort to AAS because of their own insecurities. The looks of our future generations to come aren't very promising.

 

[DreDay187]

This is an example I just heard from my cousin in regards to AAS use. He's a pharmacist so the kid is one of his patients when he goes to fill his scripts. I don't have the full story and diagnosis yet but it's still a prime example of why youngsters shouldn't mess with AAS. You might say he was asking for it with not doing research and going against conventional wisdom but maturity is part of the issue in regards to AAS and kids.

There are two brothers, one is 24yo and the younger is 19yo. Both were running cycles given to them by their father. The older one was running a standard test e (somewhere around 500-600mg/wk) cycle and the younger a dbol only (the father believes it to be over 100mg/day but can't verify this). Apparently they are also big party kids and use lots of recreational drugs and alcohol. The 19yo on the extremely high dbol cycle has been drinking and partying a few times a week, lots of hard alcohol, binge drinking, blackouts, etc. So he had not only been doing an excessively high cycle of an oral steroid at 19yo, but he had been compnsuming alcohol excessively, had not been taking any AI's , had no plans for a PCT, AND he was not taking anything to help protect his liver (not that it would have helped much with all the drinking). Anyway the kid developed full blown jaundice and almost died twice I believe, once on the way to the hospital and once when he had an allergic reaction to some medication he was given. The father was kicked out of the house by the wife for giving his kids AAS (she had no idea), he's being questioned by police as to how they got access to steroids, and he attempted suicide (was found and resuscitated). AAS use has completely destroyed this family and while every detail may not be accurate (I've been told it second hand and some of the details still haven't come out yet) it is just a drop in the bucket of horror stories out there. At present the kid is out of the hospital, Lucky to be alive, but has some serious health problems he will be dealing with for a while if not the rest of his life.

 

[Ocdude]

As to the question of studies and papers on the long term physical effect of AAS use on young people. Here are a few that certainly reference stunted growth due to premature closure of growth plates. But first, a quick discussion of how this works:

In late adolescence, increased levels of gonadal steroids (estrogen, testosterone) eventually lead to the closure of the epiphyseal growth plates. The cartilage becomes entirely replaced with bone, and statural growth ceases.

Regulation of Growth

So the introduction of exogenous testosterone (especially in the large amounts we would normally specify) would, in essence, bring on an early unwanted maturation of an otherwise still naturally active growth cycle.

one potentially permanent side effect of AS use in children and adolescents is the premature closure of the epiphyseal growth plates, which may result in stunted growth.
Here- Anabolic Steroid Use by Male and Female Middle School Students
And Here- Hormones.gr

 

[Frank White]

I know I come off like a complete dick in some of my posts...but this is the exact reason why. Thanks to all that contribute (austinite/fitness life/doc/halfwit/chief/halfwit)...and this the reason I believe in this ology sight! Not much more to say really...keep doing what you guys do, it is for the better and keep fighting the good fight....believe that...

 

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