Equipose - first cycle - PCT

[castor]

Equipose - first cycle - PCT - HCG?

Im 29 y. old 189cm 95kg.

I'd like to start my first cycle, but still have some question which I hope you help me to resolve.

I was thinking of doing equipose for 11weeks, 200-300mg a week. The last 2 weeks with 50mg winstrol every 2 day.

What about post cycle therapy (pct)? I have 27x 50mg Clomid and 30 Nolv. a 20mg. Only Clomid will not be enough according to that what I have read up over here. I'd need at least 36 pills of Clomid. (1day 6x, next 10 days 2x, and final 10 days 1x)

Can I mix it with Nolv. or just take the Nolv and forget the Clomid? If the Nolv. I have will be enough how should I use it?

I also have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (Pregnyl )6x 5000 j.m. Should I use it, if yes how? I can't find any info on that one ?

 

[david_diesel]

I dont think EQ at that dosage will do much. I've never used it but that seems a little low. You could run test at that doasge and probably get much better results. Is there any specific reason you're not using test?

Also if you're going to use Winstrol it should be every day and I'd run it for at least 4 weeks. I started using it during the cycle I'm on now but discontinued because it made me feel like shit. I broke out all over my body (acne) and I was really unmotivated.

You need more nolvadex than you have. I suggest getting more. You don't need to run clomid with nolvadex. Pick one and go with it. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu twice a week throughout the cycle will work well

 

[castor]

That's what I have .

I went for EQ since it is mild drug and I have been told and read up thats it is good choice for a first cycle. It is commonly suggested use of 400mg a week, but I'd like try 300mg a week?

Regarding Nolvadex and Clomid. I don't have more. I may get 12 more of clomid which will give me the required 36. But was thinking since I have a Nolvadex maybe I can use it somehow without having to buy more of Clomid.

What does 250iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) means? I have 5000 j.m a shot, whatever it means. Do I really need to use it or Clomid/nolvadex alone would be enough?

 

[david_diesel]

Like I said, I never used EQ so I cant say what to expect at that dosage. You're right about it being mild....I have read too that it's good for a first cycle. Although I'm pretty sure no one here will recommend it over test. Whatever, use what you have I guess.

As far as the nolvadex and Clomid....well, I'd use the one taht I had enough of to do post cycle therapy (pct) with. In your case it looks like you're going to have enough Clomid so use it. Again I never used clomid so I can't comment on it's efficiency.

HCG.....I'm not sure what j.m refers to. I've only seen Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) measured in IU (International Units) If you have 5000 IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you need to add 5ml of bacteriostatic water to it. This will give you 1000IU/ml of HCG. 250 IU (.25cc) of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice a week throughout your cycle will be fine.

Also....the function of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in your cycle is completely different than the function of nolvadex or clomid.

 

[castor]

Hcg

HCG.....I'm not sure what j.m refers to. I've only seen Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) measured in IU (International Units) If you have 5000 IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you need to add 5ml of bacteriostatic water to it. This will give you 1000IU/ml of HCG. 250 IU (.25cc) of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice a week throughout your cycle will be fine.

ok. that explains it. j.m stands for... "International Units" in my own language


I have 6x 5000IU of HCG, each comes with solvent 0.9 NaCI. The leaflets says that after adding the solvent to the dried substance, the reconstituted solution should be used immediately.

So how am I suppose to do it?

Some sources stats that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used after the cycle. I know that "makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on." but havin only 6x 5000IU may be it is wise to use it afterwards? If so, which doses should be supplied?


Or how to check/ find out whether there is a need for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at all after the EQ cycle? Most of the sources states for EQ "Decrease HPTA function: Moderate"

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum....

 

[HeHateMe]

I have 6x 5000IU of HCG, each comes with solvent 0.9 NaCI. The leaflets says that after adding the solvent to the dried substance, the reconstituted solution should be used immediately.

So how am I suppose to do it?

Some sources stats that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used after the cycle. I know that "makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on." but havin only 6x 5000IU may be it is wise to use it afterwards? If so, which doses should be supplied?


Or how to check/ find out whether there is a need for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at all after the EQ cycle? Most of the sources states for EQ "Decrease HPTA function: Moderate"

300mg EQ is a really mild cycle. david_diesel has given good advice. Even a mere 200mg of enthanate or cypionate would produce better results with little, if any, discernable side effects. The test will also enable you to keep your sex drive intact while on which would be a priority if you enjoy having sex at all.

As for the HCG, 30000 iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is enough quantity for multiple cycles. I like it during the cycle @ 250-500 iu 2x per week. You don't have to use it immediately after it's reconstituted as long as it's refridgerated. I'd get ahold of some bacteriostatic water. This will allow you to dilute the powder more, making it easier to measure out those small doses.

All steroids shut you down. Period. I think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used in just about every cycle.

 

[Aztech]

I think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used in just about every cycle.

Unless you experience gyno from it.

you should run upwards of 500-600mg of EQ if you are dead set on using this as you first cycle. I don't recommend this, but sometimes we do stuff regardless of what people recommend. You should also run this for at least, at least 12 weeks.

I don't use eq so i will no longer comment.

 

[hammer2500]

As the other members stated the best first cycle is Test E or C only. Eq is generally best for a second cycle and 400 mg and up for 14 weeks works really well. I would save the EQ for the second cycle and run it with 400 mg of test.

 

[castor]

And whats so bad about EQ or so good about TEST for the first cycle? I dont want the high water retention on TEST.

300mg EQ is a really mild cycle. david_diesel has given good advice. Even a mere 200mg of enthanate or cypionate would produce better results with little, if any, discernable side effects. The test will also enable you to keep your sex drive intact while on which would be a priority if you enjoy having sex at all.

Are you saying that on EQ will my sex drive go down and on TEST wont?

As for the HCG, 30000 iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is enough quantity for multiple cycles. I like it during the cycle @ 250-500 iu 2x per week. You don't have to use it immediately after it's reconstituted as long as it's refridgerated. I'd get ahold of some bacteriostatic water. This will allow you to dilute the powder more, making it easier to measure out those small doses.

Adding 5ml of the bacteriostatic water into the he reconstituted solution will give me 6ml of the substance. 1000IU as diesel said. 250IU which would be 1.5ml should I use twice a week? Thats mean the reconstituted solution must be kept for almost two week in refrigerator before last use. I dont like the idea.


DocJ in the "Massive Newbie Info" says that:

If the testis have atrophied, the introduction of H C G at 1000iu x 14 days is necessary. To prevent this atrophy from happening, the use of H C G at 1000iu x 7 days every fourth week of the cycle is recommended. This will provide exogenous LH and must only be used to restore/keep proper testicle size.

so is it really necessary to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) otherwise?






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[HeHateMe]

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firstQUOTE=castor]And whats so bad about EQ or so good about TEST for the cycle? I dont want the high water retention on TEST.

It's not that an EQ cycle would be 'bad'. It's just that a testosterone cycle would most likely yield greater gains. Low dosage test should cause little bloat regardless, and if it were to become a concern, could be circumvented easily with the use of an AI.

Are you saying that on EQ will my sex drive go down and on TEST wont?

Most likely, yes. Testosterone is the main hormone responsible for libido, and most individuals on testosterone-based cycles experience a sky-rocketing sex drive. Most synthetics will diminish one's sex drive unless test is also included in the cycle.

Thats mean the reconstituted solution must be kept for almost two week in refrigerator before last use. I dont like the idea.

There's no need to worry as it will maintain it's potency.

so is it really necessary to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) otherwise?

I rarely, if ever, disagree with DocJ but I prefer the idea of a bi-weekly (or thereabouts) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) protocol. Smaller doses = less chance of sides and desensitization.

 

[TheMilkMan]

your getting some good advice here man, go with it and run Test. Shoot that 2x a week and the before recommended dosage of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x a week and i'm sure you will be happy with what you see

 

[tbizzle]

No offense, and i'm not trying to be a dick, but that EQ only cycle at 200 mg / week plus Winstrol (winny) is going to yeild little to no gains, you would be lucky to put on 5 lbs. You wont see much if anything from the EQ at that low of a dose and the Winstrol (winny) will just dry you out being that you won't have much gains to solidify. Just seems like a waste of money and juice to me not to mention the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) that should be saved for a cycle with at least 500 mg/test ew. You will not need the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on that cycle, i would save it. The bloat on test is not nearly as bad as it may seem from what you have read, and anything less than 500 mg/w I would be surprised if you experienced anything significant concerning real bloating.

RUN THE TEST.

 

[Aztech]

just take creatine and no2 if all you're going to run is 200mg of EQ...prossibly better results

 

[castor]

In the age of 22 I was 97kg Then I have stopped working out. 9 month ago (88kg), started again. Reasonable diet and craetine brought me up to 95kg.

My aim is to reach the 100kg-105kg, with the body fat I have now ~13% and without the bloating. I belive 300mg/week of EQ will give me this result. I don't accept to gain 10kg within 10 weeks on EQ what I accept is to build a strong foundations and give my body the desired kick, since I feel that I need it.

What Im saying is that after 12 weeks on EQ + 3 weeks Winstrol(I may substitute the Winstrol with Anavar, if Im going to get some.) + post cycle therapy (pct) + 8 weeks creatine,all the time on good diet I believe in 7month I will have more or less my 105kg. Believing is everything, I'm I wrong?


Regarding to the profile articles EQ , Winstrol, Anavar are these drugs to go for. Slow, qualitative gain. Therefore I don't understand why all of you suggesting a newbie to go for TEST over 500mg/week.

[...]Low dosage test should cause little bloat regardless, and if it were to become a concern, could be circumvented easily with the use of an AI.

:/ Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ? one more thing to learn about, mhmhmmm. Thats one of the reasons I rather went for a mild and simple drug. I want to use one/two drugs for cycle and one for post cycle therapy (pct) without must having to become a medical doctor

Most likely, yes. Testosterone is the main hormone responsible for libido, and most individuals on testosterone-based cycles experience a sky-rocketing sex drive. Most synthetics will diminish one's sex drive unless test is also included in the cycle.

If I decided to go for EQ and my sex drive would go down, so what are the ways to bring it up again?



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[DocJ]

DocJ in the "Massive Newbie Info" says that:

so is it really necessary to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) otherwise?

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I apologize, this is a part I should've edited slightly before posting.
Here are the two best ways to use HCG:
1. 250-500iu's, 2x / week throughout the cycle, not during PCT.
2. 500iu's / day for 10-14 days after the cycle during the weeks one is waiting for long esters to clear the system (like Eq) before starting PCT.

Personally, I like Eq, I know a lot of people don't b/c they know how much more effective test is but I don't have a problem with an Eq first cycle. However, I would definately use 400mg/week minimum.

 

[tbizzle]

if you don't know what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is you shouldn't be messing with AAS.

 

[castor]

Here are the two best ways to use HCG:
1. 250-500iu's, 2x / week throughout the cycle, not during PCT.
2. 500iu's / day for 10-14 days after the cycle during the weeks one is waiting for long esters to clear the system (like Eq) before starting PCT.

So even on such mild cycle Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) must be used?

if you don't know what an AI is you shouldn't be messing with AAS.

Artificial Intelligence

 

[HeHateMe]

So even on such mild cycle Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) must be used?

This is debatable. I'd run it during just about every cycle.

AI = aromatase inhibitor (i.e. aromasin, arimidex, letrozole)

They can help keep estrogen related sides (such as bloat) to a minimum.

 

[DocJ]

So even on such mild cycle Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) must be used?

Most of the time I'd say no but everyone's different. Monitor the size of your boys on cycle and if they start shrinking you'll know that you should use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every cycle.