Feeling Ill after Testosterone shot !

[p91swat]

I get slightly darkened ( deeper/healthier ) skin complexion, better hair growth/thickness, muscle fulness and im now getting slightly oily skin. And when the flu feeling stops, good sense of wellbeing and contentment with energetic workouts and big appetite. Its just the initial 'drop' after the jab whic
h lets it down.

Don't get any kidney ache or liver aches, don't drink alcohol, don't take many oral supplements except ibuprofen and drink fair amount of water.

How long have you been on the prop for?
How long we're you on cyp and enth before you stopped?


And the other Guy does you flue feeling ever go away?

 

[buildingpaul]

As for me this is my first time on Test and only done the one shot as really do not want that flu feeling again. I had the flu feeling for about 3-4 days then I felt fine, felt energy, better sex drive etc..........the only thing I am allergic to which I am very very allergic to is Aspirin but am 99.9% sure Test has no Aspirin in!

 

[p91swat]

What symptoms do you get with asprin that you know that your allergic to it?

And with prop when did you experience the flue?

You felt better on your first shot after 4 days? Do you think that was your natty test or prop?

 

[buildingpaul]

What symptoms do you get with asprin that you know that your allergic to it?

And with prop when did you experience the flue?

You felt better on your first shot after 4 days? Do you think that was your natty test or prop?

Aspirin for me sends me in to Anaphlaxis. I ended up in A+E (ER) after 50 mins of taking an Aspirin tabs over 10 years ago now. They had to re-suss me as was clinically dead for nearly 15 seconds. They kept me in Hospital for weeks doing different tests to find out I had a huge allergy to Aspirin, the ingredient being Salycic Acid which is also to be found in Nurofen and Ibuprofen.

After my shot with the Test 350 I felt unwell about 3-4 hours after the shot and I felt unwell for about 4 days, very tired, sad, irritable, no sex drive? My natty Test is the same as a 90 year old Male......Dr put me on Testo-Gel earlier this year but bloods came back at exactly the same figures after the first one which was taken 6 weeks after the Gel treatment then more bloods every 8 weeks......I have never gone over 250, 250 is the same as an 85 year old Male.....Being in the UK the Dr wont treat me with anything else so I got some UGL Test (Isis 350).......Only things I have found have helped are Arimidex and Proviron, both of which I have obtained from my source. Proviron is good but feel a bit shaky on it?!!

 

[p91swat]

Aspirin for me sends me in to Anaphlaxis. I ended up in A+E (ER) after 50 mins of taking an Aspirin tabs over 10 years ago now. They had to re-suss me as was clinically dead for nearly 15 seconds. They kept me in Hospital for weeks doing different tests to find out I had a huge allergy to Aspirin, the ingredient being Salycic Acid which is also to be found in Nurofen and Ibuprofen.

After my shot with the Test 350 I felt unwell about 3-4 hours after the shot and I felt unwell for about 4 days, very tired, sad, irritable, no sex drive? My natty Test is the same as a 90 year old Male......Dr put me on Testo-Gel earlier this year but bloods came back at exactly the same figures after the first one which was taken 6 weeks after the Gel treatment then more bloods every 8 weeks......I have never gone over 250, 250 is the same as an 85 year old Male.....Being in the UK the Dr wont treat me with anything else so I got some UGL Test (Isis 350).......Only things I have found have helped are Arimidex and Proviron, both of which I have obtained from my source. Proviron is good but feel a bit shaky on it?!!

Wait the doc wont put u on cyp or ent wtg is wrong with him. Keep us posted on you progress please.

 

[buildingpaul]

Wait the doc wont put u on cyp or ent wtg is wrong with him. Keep us posted on you progress please.

I know bud, he is a total dick! I have some Genesis Test Enth 250ml vials on the way so hopefully should feel better when I start those......Reading the effects of low Test, well that is me! I can only but wonder what it must feel like to have 'normal' or 'high' test, must be great?!

 

[p91swat]

I know bud, he is a total dick! I have some Genesis Test Enth 250ml vials on the way so hopefully should feel better when I start those......Reading the effects of low Test, well that is me! I can only but wonder what it must feel like to have 'normal' or 'high' test, must be great?!

I think you should continue with prop Ian sure it will go away.

 

[t6100]

One thing I can say which seems to be causing some tiredness is the day after a shot my sleep seems to be alot lighter, and blood pressure feels higher which def. interupts my quality of sleep. So I've started some hawthorn berry to see if it helps normalise blood pressure.

The only thing which seems to help immediately is Flu medicine and Ibuprofen, which relieves it pretty quickly.. I felt horribly tired and achey yesterday evening, had a little flu medicine and ibuprofen and within minutes felt normal again.
Obviously I don't want to have to be taking ibuprofen and flu medicine every other day so need to find out why it helps :S

 

[juced_porkchop]

Ethyl Oleate reduces pain big time and products are much easily absorbed. Because when products contain organic oil ( grapeseed or anyother) the oil is digested by body fastly and product crashes inside muscle due to high concentration. In my point of view i will never inject a product who doesnt contain EO because i am sick of pain and almost all UG labs use shitty oils which are not meant to be injected. Oil for injection is not something that people can go and simply buy from somewhere

EO is not good for you and allot have allergic reactions to it. I will never pin oil WITH EO in it.....

 

[StanG]

^^ I agree.
Also people minimize the number of sides attributable to estrogen. Estrogen is crucial in immune system function. I can state how important it is to manage estrogen while on any cycle. I think people would be amazed at the sides that mysteriously disappear.

 

[t6100]

EO is not good for you and allot have allergic reactions to it. I will never pin oil WITH EO in it.....

What oil do unigen/sukhimvit medical group use ? I'll try them next as suposed to be close to pharma grade.

Hmm just researched them and they use E.O aswell. All the better labs seem to use Ethyl Oleate.

I've used others which were different oils before ( grapeseed and the other sesame )and im sure i had the same issue.

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

EO is not good for you and allot have allergic reactions to it. I will never pin oil WITH EO in it.....

I deeply disagree, i know almost 100 people who will say same thing about EO.
All my students in gym and all my friends right now use EO based gear.
They all use same lab , and i know the time that lab was NOT using EO, everybody agrees on its waaay better when it is compared to the time when they were using cottonseed or grape seed oil like everybody else.
When it was oil based, all the time i need to deal with pain or other problems. I was so tired talking to people and even making their injections myself !
Sorry but i am not going back to oil based gear. There is reason why all major UG labs use EO based gear

 

[2rude4u]

I deeply disagree, i know almost 100 people who will say same thing about EO.
All my students in gym and all my friends right now use EO based gear.
They all use same lab , and i know the time that lab was NOT using EO, everybody agrees on its waaay better when it is compared to the time when they were using cottonseed or grape seed oil like everybody else.
When it was oil based, all the time i need to deal with pain or other problems. I was so tired talking to people and even making their injections myself !
Sorry but i am not going back to oil based gear. There is reason why all major UG labs use EO based gear

The advice you give is incorrect and potentially dangerous. It is a PROVEN FACT that EO causes a higher rate of allergic reactions and many much more severe.

Why do continue to insist there is no risk with EO and trying to make yourself appear correct? Just because most can tolerate EO, does not mean that everyone can tolerate EO.

You are also incorrect that all the major labs use EO. The biggest lab on this board DOES NOT USE EO!

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

The advice you give is incorrect and potentially dangerous. It is a PROVEN FACT that EO causes a higher rate of allergic reactions and many much more severe.

Why do continue to insist there is no risk with EO and trying to make yourself appear correct? Just because most can tolerate EO, does not mean that everyone can tolerate EO.

You are also incorrect that all the major labs use EO. The biggest lab on this board DOES NOT USE EO!

There are 2 types of EO,
Pharm Grade and Technical Grade , Tech grade used in industry and it is not suitable for humans
The UG i use have Pharm Grade EO inside, its much more expensive but thats why all my people used that gear without any allergy
Thats why i can defend this , in fact i can defend whatever the hell i want , i need your approval ok ?
Just because you used some unknown EO and had a bad experience , that doesnt mean that you are right.
I am competitor and trainer for 17 years thats why i know how and what to advise people , dont try to teach my job to me...

 

[2rude4u]

There are 2 types of EO,
Pharm Grade and Technical Grade , Tech grade used in industry and it is not suitable for humans
The UG i use have Pharm Grade EO inside, its much more expensive but thats why all my people used that gear without any allergy
Thats why i can defend this , in fact i can defend whatever the hell i want , i need your approval ok ?
Just because you used some unknown EO and had a bad experience , that doesnt mean that you are right.
I am competitor and trainer for 17 years thats why i know how and what to advise people , dont try to teach my job to me...

Oh I see... a know-it-all. Well just because you did not have a reaction, does not make you correct does it.

Also Mr. Know-All-It... competitor/trainer does not equal medical knowledge or expertise. This is clearly obvious since you are now trying to say that the grade of EO is the cause of the allergic reaction. THIS IS UNTRUE & 100% FALSE!!!

And I'm not trying to teach you your job, just informing you of the facts. Many people are ALLERGIC to EO, not because of the grade, but because of the substance.

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

Oh I see... a know-it-all. Well just because you did not have a reaction, does not make you correct does it.

Also Mr. Know-All-It... competitor/trainer does not equal medical knowledge or expertise. This is clearly obvious since you are now trying to say that the grade of EO is the cause of the allergic reaction. THIS IS UNTRUE & 100% FALSE!!!

And I'm not trying to teach you your job, just informing you of the facts. Many people are ALLERGIC to EO, not because of the grade, but because of the substance.

If there are people who are allergic to EO, there also can be people who are allergic organic oils as Sesame or other stuff.
My point is, i have seen many people who use EO based gear without any problem, and these people are random users.
In fact i have never seen any student of mine come and make a complaint about injection related to EO allergy
That tells me that people who are not allergic to EO are much more than people who are allergic to EO.
So what you are talking are based on the stuff you read in forums or in internet which is greatly disinformated + misinformated.
What i am talking is based on the things that i see in real life, the feedback of the people who are under my supervision.
Just because you made some cycles before, that doesnt mean that you are AAS expert.
PS : There is significant difference between Pharm grade and industury grade chemicals. Thats why industry grade chemicals cannot be used in pharmacology.
It is against the law and this law must be fallowed for a reason. If they should be identical as you say there shouldnt be such rules
The chemical structure can be same , but synthesis methods vary, Thats why purity changes. The changes in that purity makes that difference
You can understand from this way, there is Watson human grade Test Cypio and there is some UGL Test Cypio.
UGL buys from China food grade raw, Watson uses super high quality Raw manufactured in EU or in USA ( because of laws)
Both of them are Test Cypio and chemical structure is the same but actually they are not the same right???
The gear i use contains EO which is manufactured in Germany, i saw the bottle by my own eyes.
The gear you used was containing China manufactured EO because they have no other choice.
This fact can be the reason behind all that EO allergy buzz which you hear and experience

 

[2rude4u]

If there are people who are allergic to EO, there also can be people who are allergic organic oils as Sesame or other stuff.
My point is, i have seen many people who use EO based gear without any problem, and these people are random users.
In fact i have never seen any student of mine come and make a complaint about injection related to EO allergy
That tells me that people who are not allergic to EO are much more than people who are allergic to EO.
So what you are talking are based on the stuff you read in forums or in internet which is greatly disinformated + misinformated.
What i am talking is based on the things that i see in real life, the feedback of the people who are under my supervision.
Just because you made some cycles before, that doesnt mean that you are AAS expert.
PS : There is significant difference between Pharm grade and industury grade chemicals. Thats why industry grade chemicals cannot be used in pharmacology.
It is against the law and this law must be fallowed for a reason. If they should be identical as you say there shouldnt be such rules
The chemical structure can be same , but synthesis methods vary, Thats why purity changes. The changes in that purity makes that difference
You can understand from this way, there is Watson human grade Test Cypio and there is some UGL Test Cypio.
UGL buys from China food grade raw, Watson uses super high quality Raw manufactured in EU or in USA ( because of laws)
Both of them are Test Cypio and chemical structure is the same but actually they are not the same right???
The gear i use contains EO which is manufactured in Germany, i saw the bottle by my own eyes.
The gear you used was containing China manufactured EO because they have no other choice.
This fact can be the reason behind all that EO allergy buzz which you hear and experience

Yes you are correct that if people are allergic to EO, there are some also allergic to oils. The difference is that people allergic to oils usually know it.

Someone allergic to peanuts for example, I can guarantee will make damn sure they are not running any type of nut based oils. With EO nobody is really familiar with it or the fact that so many have had allergic reactions. That is what makes it irresponsible to say that EO does not cause allergic reactions, when in fact it does. It's not a big percentage, but the estimates are that 1 in 10 will have some level of reaction to it.

EO has actually been used and documented to cause severe reactions for several years, but not in regards to steroids for men. Before UG labs started using it, many compounding pharmacies had used it for female progesterone treatments, where it caused the same allergic reactions in many.

I also do not disagree that there is a significant difference between pharm grade and industrial grade EO, but the grade does not determine if they are allergic to the EO itself. Yes there can be impurities that cause a reaction, but an EO allergy is an EO allergy. Why do you think the FDA will not approve PHARM GRADE EO for injection purposes?

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

In fact i remembered Virormone , The human grade test prop which is based with EO totally
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As you see it says Ethyl Oleate BP = British Pharmacy Grade.
Anyway i am happy that we kinda understood eachother, anyway best way to knowledge is
discuss a subject. Hope i was not harsh , its just Tren Rage
If you ask my idea, FDA proove doesnt mean anything to me, if that mechanism would work good, half of the supplement should be banned today
God knows what they sell people by labeling it as Supplements...

 

[visgoth]

Back to the OP. Sounds like and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) issue. Not enough or too much AI.

 

[2rude4u]

In fact i remembered Virormone , The human grade test prop which is based with EO totally
View attachment 547730
As you see it says Ethyl Oleate BP = British Pharmacy Grade.
Anyway i am happy that we kinda understood eachother, anyway best way to knowledge is
discuss a subject. Hope i was not harsh , its just Tren Rage
If you ask my idea, FDA proove doesnt mean anything to me, if that mechanism would work good, half of the supplement should be banned today
God knows what they sell people by labeling it as Supplements...

No worries bro... you and I are fine. I have been known to be a little harsh myself, as you can probably tell by my user name I enjoy these discussions and end up learning quite a bit from them.

I also understand exactly what you are saying and agree with most of it. Hopefully you understand where I am coming from. Trust me... laying in the ER with 3 doctors staring at me like I'm crazy for saying I can't breath or swallow is scary as hell. The crazy part is all my vital signs and lab results were perfect, so they thought I was a just a nutjob!