First bloodwork since starting injections...NEED ADVICE!

Atlaz

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Hey all,

I started injecting 120mg/week Cyp. on November 25. At the moment I feel ok but definitely not top shape. The improvements are subtle and that may be the reason why its harder to pin point the change. Some people report that adding HCG could improve mood due to the pregnenolone increase or even tweaking the testosterone dose ? During the whole time I was also supplementing with DIM for estrogen. Add Calcium D- Glucarate? Ive read that E2 should be optimal to feel " better"....

I would appreciate some feedback on my case.....


Current protocol:

120 mg Cypionate ( divided 2x week)

Dim ( DIINDOLYLMETHANE )

- Everyday

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January 2016


Total Testosterone : 28.2 ( 7.6 -31.40) = 810 ng/dl

Free T : 789 ( 196-636) pmol/L HIGH

Estradiol : 112 (40-160) pmol/L = 30.5 pg/mL (13-54 pg/mL)

* Latest blood work was done in new lab.


At this point my doctor wants to lower dose tp 110mg/week because of high Free testosterone. High free testosterone negatives ?

With injections:

Positives :

- Less anxious
- More muscle
- Better libido

Challenges :

- Bloated stomach only ( currently tweaking diet to see if it helps)
- Still working on overall mood/drive
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Previous Blood history: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/t...681407-blood-work-update-whats-next-step.html



HCG

" The testes are the single largest producer of the hormone pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for proper mental functioning, and is the precursor to all of the steroid hormones such as DHEA, testosterone, DHT, estrogen, cortisol... Injecting hCG prevents a drug induced pregnenolone deficiency and helps support the other hormones. When guys are on T without hCG and then start hCG, they report a significant improvement in mood that many attribute to restored pregnenolone levels. [If that is not the case, hCG must have some direct effects in the brain."
 
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Seems like a pretty good protocol. Probably not worthing fighting your doctor over, but IMO chasing free T isn't worth the trouble. It will probably vary more from test to test than total T. That said, you'll still be up there at 110mg.

You're right at the point where the effects should be starting to kick in... stay the course.
 
I wouldn't reduce your dose just because of a high Free T reading. Everything else looks good.

I started TRT without hCG for the first year. I would not give it up now. hCG has numerous benefits to a TRT protocol.

My doc won't prescribe hCG to me, but I don't let that stop me. I have even told him I have added it in myself.
 
I wouldn't reduce your dose just because of a high Free T reading. Everything else looks good.

I started TRT without hCG for the first year. I would not give it up now. hCG has numerous benefits to a TRT protocol.

My doc won't prescribe hCG to me, but I don't let that stop me. I have even told him I have added it in myself.

What difference did you see with HCG ? other than the full testicles...
 
Can you elaborate?

For example use HCG for 2 weeks then 4 weeks off ? I was on the impression that long term HCG use is not good.

" If HCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone would eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland."
 
For example use HCG for 2 weeks then 4 weeks off ? I was on the impression that long term HCG use is not good.

" If HCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone would eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland."

That is referring to someone who is Natty. You are on TRT. If you take 500iu/week you should be fine. Taking too high of a dose for too long can harm the leydig cells -- that is what you want to be concerned about while on TRT rather than lowering your already Hypogonadal Natty levels.
 
UPDATE:

I got a prescription for HCG and just pick it up at the pharmacy. Dose is 500 IU twice per week.

Would 250IU be better to start? I dont want my E2 spike but I want to feel good.

Protocol: Cypionate 120/week.
 
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Seems like opinions vary on this. I saw one study which was measuring intra-testicular testosterone after injection of varying doses of HCG, and from memory the effect of 250mg was about 80% the effect of 500mg.
Speculatively, estradiol could be similar.

Neither is an unreasonable dose. Maybe start at 250 and go to 500 later?
 
Seems like opinions vary on this. I saw one study which was measuring intra-testicular testosterone after injection of varying doses of HCG, and from memory the effect of 250mg was about 80% the effect of 500mg.
Speculatively, estradiol could be similar.

Neither is an unreasonable dose. Maybe start at 250 and go to 500 later?

I did 300. Well see how that goes.
 
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