First Cycle - Fina & (Dbol or Test)?

[phattysiz]

Currently:
21 years old
216lb
~10-12% bf
6'2"
>5 years of training.


I am currently devising my first cycle, which will include Fina (I have plenty of it), with Nolvas for post cycle therapy (pct). It seems common to only use one steroid for a first cycle, although I am not sure if I'd be happy with the gains of Fina alone. I do have a small amount of gyno from puberty, and i'm horrified of seeing more.
I have enough Fina to run 75mg EOD for 11-12 weeks or so. I am tempted to add Dbols in for the first 4 weeks at 30mg/day, or possibly 250mg test enanthate per week for some size.
My main goals for this cycle are to add >15lbs total after post cycle therapy (pct), while maintaining BF levels/ or cutting a little. Any gyno will completely ruin this cycle for me, as i already have more than i can tolerate.
I do have access to arimidex . . anyone recommend i invest?
Also, has anyone with experience on fina only cycles/ fina stacks have problems with gyno? Any comments about PCTing with nolvas? Any other recommended Fina cycles/dosages?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Eze]

Test Only 400 - 500mg for 12 weeks. Save the fina for a future cycle.

 

[02gixxersix]

Test Only 400 - 500mg for 12 weeks. Save the fina for a future cycle.

 

[JohnnyB]

At 21 I'd go to the doc to see if my growth plates were closed, if they're not wait until they are

JohnnyB

 

[StoneColdNTO]

At 21 I'd go to the doc to see if my growth plates were closed, if they're not wait until they are

JohnnyB

Yep.......and then a cycle of Test @ 400-500mg/week for 8-10 weeks.....no need to add anything else at this point.

 

[BigRonWannabee]

Hey whats up bro? I never thought about it but you could save the tren for your winter cycle if you wanted to go the test only route, wouldnt cost too much more.
That said, I honestly cant see anyone recommending a stack for your first, and I know for a fact everyone will tell you to do a test only cycle. Ultimately it up to you bro, good luck.

 

[Makaveli_786]

I think if you know what your doing you can safely take the fina only route but Test is a better option in most cases.

 

[phattysiz]

Thanks for all the advice. BTW, seeing that i'm 6'2" i really wouldn't mind if i never grew any more. I think that stopped at 17 anyway. Anyone have experience with longer cycles of Fina? (10-14 weeks)?

 

[simplecanibus]

i'm curious as to why people recommend test only for a first cycle. what is the difference on your body between a test only cycle or say a fina only cycle like phattysiz wants?

 

[Ozzy27]

I never have done Fina as of yet and I'm on my 4th cycle , But I am planning on running it next one with hgh/test. I don't think fina is suppose to be ran for longer than 6 wks , but hey , what do I know

 

[Ozzy27]

i'm curious as to why people recommend test only for a first cycle. what is the difference on your body between a test only cycle or say a fina only cycle like phattysiz wants?

To see how you react to a single steroid. If you got gyno , you would not know if it was from progesterone or estrogen. And you need different types of anti-e's for each.

 

[Bimmer]

I think you would need bromo for the progesterone.

 

[Vennom96]

What if....

To see how you react to a single steroid. If you got gyno , you would not know if it was from progesterone or estrogen. And you need different types of anti-e's for each.

So what if someone was to run for a first cycle test prop for 10 weeks and then add in tren and run that from week 5-10. B/c the prop will kick in fairly fast b/c of the fast acting esters. So by 4 or 5 weeks of just prop you should know if you're gyno prone or not right?

So wouldn't that be ok for a first cycle if no gyno is present?

 

[BigRonWannabee]

Im assuming if your serious enough about juicing, you understand this is like a marathon. Why sprint from the start? Most people make great gains from test only first cycle, and I for one am glad I was advised to do that. I started noticing gyno about 8 weeks into my test cycle. If I had added tren at week 5, I probably would have thought It was the tren. Hope thaat helps.

 

[rjx]

Re: What if....

So what if someone was to run for a first cycle test prop for 10 weeks and then add in tren and run that from week 5-10. B/c the prop will kick in fairly fast b/c of the fast acting esters. So by 4 or 5 weeks of just prop you should know if you're gyno prone or not right?

So wouldn't that be ok for a first cycle if no gyno is present?

Its not just gyno, its other side effects. One might effect your BP more than the other etc.

 

[rjx]

Currently:
21 years old
216lb
~10-12% bf
6'2"
>5 years of training.


I am currently devising my first cycle, which will include Fina (I have plenty of it), with Nolvas for post cycle therapy (pct). It seems common to only use one steroid for a first cycle, although I am not sure if I'd be happy with the gains of Fina alone. I do have a small amount of gyno from puberty, and i'm horrified of seeing more.
I have enough Fina to run 75mg EOD for 11-12 weeks or so. I am tempted to add Dbols in for the first 4 weeks at 30mg/day, or possibly 250mg test enanthate per week for some size.
My main goals for this cycle are to add >15lbs total after post cycle therapy (pct), while maintaining BF levels/ or cutting a little. Any gyno will completely ruin this cycle for me, as i already have more than i can tolerate.
I do have access to arimidex . . anyone recommend i invest?
Also, has anyone with experience on fina only cycles/ fina stacks have problems with gyno? Any comments about PCTing with nolvas? Any other recommended Fina cycles/dosages?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

If you use tren and get more gyno make sure you have bromo (bromocryptine) on hand since nolva doesnt work on tren gyno.

 

[Future Prodigy]

At 21 I'd go to the doc to see if my growth plates were closed, if they're not wait until they are

JohnnyB

Can they really tell that? How do they do it by a x-ray or something? So if someones plates aren't sealed is it unsafe to be taking pro-horomones as well?

 

[Powerhouse9]

Just test, but if you have to then fina and test.

 

[phattysiz]

alright thanks for the info everyone.

 

[Makaveli_786]

Fina and test is a bad ass combo but only if your willing to take the risk, you might react very badly to tren, that stuff is extremely strong.

As it has no effect on the liver taken with the correct meds(BP meds etc) Fina can be run for as long as one wants.