First Cycle Info

[Cr8zgtr]

Hey guys, just wanted to introduce myself and describe my cycle... By the way thanks to ology, great site and info...

I'm 27 y/o. 204lbs 5'9 not sure about body fat but it's got to be a but high, maybe 16%

Been training since I was 15, had great size in high school, use to work out 2-3 hours a day and had no responsibilities, was great, had approx 11% body fat, weight 170 to 180 when ripped and 195 when eating like a pig, of course fat went up...( I'm Cuban so always been a big eater)

After I graduated at 18 kept training hard for about 3 years, in that time I was also a trainer at LA Fitness... Then after that my training became on and off but always kept at the gym, would take a few weeks off then come back and so on, always maintained...

My genetics are great in some aspects but punish me on others... My arms right now are close to 18 pretty ripped, I have big biceps and back, less chest and tris, I also don't grow a big belly when off diets but do grow love handles like crazy if eating crappy.
Basically the way my body works is I either diet (cutting carbs high pro works for me) looked ripped without a shirt but skinny with or I look bulked with a shirt but chubby without....

This is exactly why I decided to start my first cycle now, eventhough I'm doubted by everyone that I never used steroids, lol... I want to be bit more ripped without sacrificing muscle mass and now it has become harder for me than the old days...

Started dieting 12 days ago, eating approx 180g of pro a day, I eat a lot of fish, steak, and eggs, protein shakes... I combine this with greens like spinash, broccoli, and asparagus.... At this time no rice, breads, oatmeal or pastas...

At the gym right now
Flat Dumbell press 115lbs for about 4 reps, 105lbs on inclined for couple of reps as a third exercise... 225+ for reps on smith machine... Bicep curls with 30lbs EZ bar 45lbs on each side for like 10 reps... I hit the whole stack for tris for like 8 reps... Front pulldowns almost hitting the whole stack right now for like 8 reps (approx 270lbs). More or less some numbers for u guys to have an idea.... My workouts are long, powerful and exhausting, I'm the type that goes to the gym with my music very loud and if I know you I'll wave, I hate
talking crap, I like to focus and pump hard...

Cycle:
Test E 500mg/w 1- 10 weeks
Deca 450mg/w 1-10 weeks ( I know some say to just run test but I heard deca helps the joints and I really need this, my joints are super crappy, took I few weeks off due to a shoulder injury end of July repping 125lbs dumbbells

Test Prop every other day 100mg/ml week 11-16
Anavar 50mg/day ED week 12-16
Winstrol 50mg/day ED week 12-16

PCT with Clomid and HcG
Will run Clomid 50mg/tabs 200mg for 7 days, 100mg Ed for second week, 50mg Ed for 3rd and 4th week for a month and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for 2 weeks starting at week 17 with clomid, prob about 500 iu Ed, don't want to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle, I think it would be a waste since prob feedback mechanism with high test levels will prevent the testes from working, also heard if run for more than 2 weeks it can also cause the testes to shut down...
I also have Arimidex 1mg/tab which I will run throughout the cycle 1/4 tab twice a
week (0.5mg weekly)... Genetically I'm probably prone to gyno and acne so I need to avoid this...

Supplements: been taking them for 2 weeks (was never big on supplements either, just food and train, lol)
Liquid Amino acid ED post workout
Chondroitin/ glucosamine ED 2 tabs as directed for joints
Centrum multi vit
Mesomorph pre workout with nitric oxide( this stuff is great, also read NO is a great antioxidant and overall good for health)


Anyways sorry for the long thread, if I kept
anything out let me know, lol... I'll be posting a before pic soon... If you guys have any input is always appreciated...


I'll be happy if I stay around my weight, maybe 210 with less fat around the weist line and without cacrificing muscle mass, if anything molding my body a bit more and giving my muscles more maturity... I'm in need of rear delts, legs, and outer chest (
have a pretty good inner chest)... Thanks for reading, sorry if errors did this on my iPhone Starting this week, I'll keep u guys posted...

 

[tjkita]

2 cycles

That seems like 2 cycles not one. Are you doing test e and deca or test prop, winney and var? I'd say do one or the other not both at the same time. That would be crazy!!

 

[bigherm2121]

Well it might be good for your joints but steroids will fuck a lot of shit up. You ever hear of deca Dick? Since its your first cycle how are you going to know if one of the two your body doesn't like. Man just keep it simple now. Don't go mixing different shit if you don't know how your body reacts to the different gear. Clomid I would keep it at 50 for 4 weeks. No need to go up. Also Winstrol (winny) is very very bad on your joints so get that out of your head.

 

[Cr8zgtr]

I realize the cycle is a bit long, just didn't want to do one too short... Figure at the end I would do some gear to help pyramid down a bit the test while getting a little leaner...

Herm I'll keep the Clomid at 50 then, even better I'll be saving some money... You make good sense with the mixing, I been back and forth on this, maybe I'll just do the test and var and follow up next year with the rest and more test... Appreciate the feedback guys

 

[bigherm2121]

Good stuff. Even for a second cycle you can throw in a oral kickstart. Well if your able to get more gear you can run it 12-14 weeks.

 

[bigherm2121]

I say this because if you have two 10ml bottles your not going to even hit 10 weeks plus deca you wanna stop it atleast 2 weeks before the test.

 

[tjkita]

14 weeks?

Not to hijack the thread but 14 weeks of plain test? I have enough for 14 weeks (3 10ml vials) but only enough Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for 12. Could I safely run 14 without 2 weeks of HCG?

 

[bigherm2121]

Yes you can but 12 would be more reasonable. the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I though you should run it through your pct is well.

 

[Cr8zgtr]

Herm I was planning on running 2 amps of test a week (1cc=250mg each) each shot of test mix with 1/2 cc of deca since my deca is 450... But if I rum the test only it will be 2 amps a week, I have like 22amps... Out of curiosity, running 500/w test and 450(if my deca is real, I have some doubts) will kill my libido... What's the ratio that should be done so I know for probably my next cycle?

 

[park]

My first cycle was Test c @ 600mg a week for 10weeks and I gained 20lbs..I found out how my body handled AAs and what sides I was prone to. What you have planned is alot of gear for a first time imo.

 

[Cr8zgtr]

Hey guys, hope everything is well, just updating the thread, this is the beginning of my third week, sitting on 210lbs with a bit nicer shape and also lost a bit from the wasteline, my jeans fit more loose, lol... Anyways I have gotten pretty strong on some exercises on the gym again this could be results of the diet and crazy training I do... What I have notice different from all the years I worked out cleAn is the pumps I get at the gym, I walk around swollen like I'm allergic to something, feels great, muscles are just engorge with blood even after, sometimes I wake up at night to take a piss and feel like doing 100 push ups, lol... ( "the pump is like cumming, i mean i cum at the gym, when I pump up, when I pose in front of people, I mean I'm cumin day and night, is great!" - Arnold) lol... Still not too many gains, I'm eating as much as I can eventhough a lot of times my day is not enough for so many meals but I'm trying... Keep you guys posted of changes with pics coming soon in couple weeks...
Almost forgot I finally decided to run the test 500mg/w and Deca450mg/w together for 10 weeks, also started taking Arimidex since day one EOD 1mg for 2 weeks, now I'm going to take 2 weeks off of it to see what happens then probably jump on it again after the next 2 weeks, Libido feels fine, still like a bucking bronco...

 

[B3astmde26]

Lets stop and think..keep it simple..why run that many compounds for your first time? You have no idea how you will react. Look at how far you came with over the counter stuff and consistency..I think you should just do something like this
week 1-4 dbol@25 mg everyday and week 1-14 500mg test cyp

 

[bigherm2121]

Ya you need at least 12 weeks of deca and start your post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after your last shot of deca and 2 weeks after last test shot or your gonna be in some trouble. But who cares cuz i told you what you should've ran but you didnt listen. Did u ever hear if deca Dick? Sucks

 

[Four1Thr33]

Haha explain deca dick haha

 

[bigherm2121]

Well put it this way you don't want it. Your Dick will swell up and possibly blow up. Lol jk

 

[Cr8zgtr]

I know exactly where some of you are coming from regarding trying only one compound for experience, I was advice by a bodybuilder friend of mine to run both, at the end of the day we all have different opinions and maybe it's a mistake maybe is a great thing, only time will tell... Regarding the sides I think weather is test, or test and deca, or anything else we run a risk with all this compounds we are willing to take, I'm actually very doubtful of my deca being legit, so maybe "deca dick" will show me Is real and make me very happy, lol, I have Viagra on hand, lol... Weather we see them or not side effects are always there and we always need to be taking drugs to help counteract as much as possible from what I have read... Regarding the deca cycle being 10 weeks I actually got that from an amazing sticky written by DOCJ on this forum, you guys should check it out,it's great! I read it top to bottom and only disobeyed it on running the deca and test first... I guess if something happens with the deca now it was going to happen on my second cycle so I'll know not to use it next time... After my 10 weeks I will keep running the shorter ester Test Prop for 5 weeks to let deca wear off and start a faster PCT... Again thanks for advice, I'm here to learn from all of you, some opinions I like some I dont and at the end we are responsible for our own actions : )

 

[Cr8zgtr]

BTW I did get Cabergoline also in case I feel any gyno effects, I stop my Arimidex for now, I ran it for the first 2 weeks since I read a study saying in 2 weeks it can increase your test levels by a significant amount and to drop my estrogen some, hopefully I can get bloodwork soon and see where I am...

 

[Cr8zgtr]

Matt I think bro from that first time we put a needle in us injecting this drugs (hoping sometimes they are real and not cat piss) we are already altering the balance of the endocrine system, some of us will react worse than others, I guess we just need to keep track of our health and signs we get from our bodies and pray... There is a lot of research and reading we do, at the end we are all here cuz we made a decision an we are taking a risk, so our bodies one way or another are suffering great amounts...

 

[Cr8zgtr]

BTW bro, I didn't even want to say this so you guys don't call me a moron but I'm a nurse, so believe when I say doing gear is quite scary to me and believe me took a while to convince myself and even more to convince my pops it was a good idea who has been a surgeon for 40 years, lol... But hey we all love what we do and when it comes to our bodies you know we all like to pay a price of pain and agony to achieve what we want... I'll keep you guys inform in the next couple weeks how is going...

 

[bigherm2121]

Dude you'll be fine if you do it the right way. Regardless gear isn't good for you but its giving a bad name because of the young kids that have no idea what there doing taking oral dbol for 6 weeks with no post cycle therapy (pct). So as long as you take the time to get blood work done and make sure your body is completely recovered then your fine.