First cycle - litle imput please

[g60]

ok so from more reading, i think i'm going to try to get nolva for my pct:

PCT wk 14-18 nolva 20/20/10/10


i'd rather the lower dose and i keep reading that clomid is tough on the emotions etc


thoughts?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yea thats fine

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Just run the test, secure proper Aromatase inhibitor (AI) s, do proper pct and fuck everytime you can. ..if she lets you..I hope she s a trooper !

ha ha ...I guess this should be a sticky

 

[g60]

just wanting to get the facts on why PCT is done the way it is

my partner thinks we should start PCT 2-3 weeks BEFORE the last shot (yes i now know this is incorrect)

but i want to be able to give him the facts and reasons as to why you need to wait 3 weeks AFTER the last shot of test to start the pct

is it so that the test runs it's full course etc?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

he prolly wants to start it that early to control estrogen-you should use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen on cycle-it works better-no rebound etc etc

the esters in sustanon are long-it will be 3 weeks til the test in your system is close to a level that your body can produce naturally-if the test is still higher than what you could normally produce you are sending conflicting messages to your body-the high levels of test say no production of natural needed-and the clomid says produce more.

so wait 3 weeks after Sustanon (sust) shot or you will be wasting money and slightly inhibiting your gains. if estro is a problem use aromasin (exemestane). then when pct time arrives use the clomid or nolva whatever one you decided on.

 

[midlifexsis]

LOL-dude your sex drive will triple-i mean its almost annoying sometimes-my dick gets hard when the wind blows-hope you got a regular chic

This made me LMAO. Cant wait to start my next cycle!!!

 

[g60]

he prolly wants to start it that early to control estrogen-you should use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen on cycle-it works better-no rebound etc etc

the esters in sustanon are long-it will be 3 weeks til the test in your system is close to a level that your body can produce naturally-if the test is still higher than what you could normally produce you are sending conflicting messages to your body-the high levels of test say no production of natural needed-and the clomid says produce more.

so wait 3 weeks after Sustanon (sust) shot or you will be wasting money and slightly inhibiting your gains. if estro is a problem use aromasin (exemestane). then when pct time arrives use the clomid or nolva whatever one you decided on.

we're doing Test C (he's also going to do the deca regardless)....he thinks you need to take the pct 3 weeks before hand to get the boys working again by time we're coming off the test

 

[g60]

would running test wk 1-10 at 500mg then adding/starting the deca at wk 5-10 at 500mg be way too much for the last 5 weeks??

my friend understands why i don't want to run the test right away but came up with this idea....is this just over kill?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

we're doing Test C (he's also going to do the deca regardless)....he thinks you need to take the pct 3 weeks before hand to get the boys working again by time we're coming off the test

that is what HCG is for.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

would running test wk 1-10 at 500mg then adding/starting the deca at wk 5-10 at 500mg be way too much for the last 5 weeks??

my friend understands why i don't want to run the test right away but came up with this idea....is this just over kill?

deca wont do anything for you if you only use it for 5 weeks

let his dumbass run the deca then-be smart do it how we told you too-later he will be coming to you for cycle advice

 

[g60]

ok fair enough, thanks

with just the test cycle, do you think HCG is necessary or is PCT enough?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

hcg is not a must but def makes post cycle therapy (pct) a lot easier.

 

[hogman]

ok fair enough, thanks

with just the test cycle, do you think HCG is necessary or is post cycle therapy (pct) enough?

HCG keep the boys full of life If you can get it take it!

 

[g60]

ok fair enough

concidering my cycle, what would you recommend and how much etc?

thanks guys

 

[g60]

anyone on how much HCG?


my partner is really pushing the deca....i KNOW it's not the best idea but could the 250mg per week really mess me up that much? again asking for honest opinions

 

[MassMonster86]

i like g60's willingness to learn and not be ignorant.

listen to everyone. wait til your mentally and physically ready.

i started too young. i regret it.. learn from others mistakes

methtest always hits the nail on the head.. listen to him and research

 

[MassMonster86]

anyone on how much HCG?


my partner is really pushing the deca....i KNOW it's not the best idea but could the 250mg per week really mess me up that much? again asking for honest opinions

who cares what your partner thinks.. its your body not his..

250mg.. you wont even get any benefit from that.. dont waste your time.. save it for later or sell it.

i said this before when others come on here that are new to AAS.

we try to tell you whats best and what you SHOULD do..

HOWEVER, before posting this thread you probably already made up your mind that your gonna do this cycle, right? (dont mean to sound rude)

so if your going to do it. ..do 8 to 10 weeks of a low dose(test only). 500mg of test is usually what people do.. however you can see results from much lower mg, so your better off going lower.

two weeks after your last injection start the nolva.

as for hcg.. everyone has different opinions on this so ill leave mine out.

good luck

 

[casanovaaa]

First you need to gt more serious about your training now and get your diet in check. Eat to grow. When you have hit 200 natural and cant grow anymore then change your diet and change your training program and when you have push threw a plateau and your body is ripped. Then maybe it will be time.

 

[g60]

thanks for the comments guys

- yes i know it's my body and i should do what i think is best for it.......but i'm always open to peoples comments and thoughts etc

- the deca wasn't really meant as a builder, it was more thought as being an added benefit with joint relief and to give a little extra to the cycle. with that said, you mention 250 per week wasn't very much, that is/could be what we were going for. how impactful could 250 be on my body chemically?

- yes you are right, i'm going the test cycle regardless

massmonster, i'd still like to hear what you have to say about HCG

i want as little side effects as possible by doing this cycle

thanks guys

 

[g60]

well just did my first shot, test only

next shot on thursday

well see how it goes from here