First timer here, looking any advice, starting 2nd cycle.

[Tim23]

So I've been lurking around this site for a few months now, trying to soak in all the great information people have here.

This is my first time ever being on a cycle and dont know a whole lot and wont pretend to either.

A good buddy of mine has been into this for about 5 years now, so as far as my cycles go, I've been listening to his advice only.... but the more I browse through these forums, the less I think he actually knows what hes talking about. So I decided to hop on here and see what others have to say, and hopefully Im on the right track.

Here's what I have going on.

32 Years Old
5' 8" Height
195 Lbs
About 23% BF

DIET:

Im shooting for, but have been lacking on the calories, carbs and fats..
3,450 Calories
350g Protein
350g Carbs
75g Fat

Ive been eating mainly chicken, fish, turkey, pinto beans, wild rice, brown rice, and mixed veggies, mainly broccoli.

Since these foods are low in calories, carbs and fats, I've been trying to find a way to bump up my calorie and carb intake, but have been struggling with it.

Daily protein intake is about the only thing Im nailing each day.

I've been drinking a little over a gallon of water per day, but have still felt deydrated, so Im working on trying to get more water down.

I rotate through 3 different pre-workouts; Ephedra Fuel, AdrenOLyn and NoXplode. 2 Double scoop protein shakes per day, ISO100.

I also take a multi-vitamin each morning with breakfast, that I always eat within an hour of waking up.


CYCLES:

First Cycle:
Test Blend 500mg - 1cc every 4 days
Anadrol 50mg - 1cc every 4 days
Tren A 100mg - 1/2cc every 4 days
Tren E 200mg - 1/2cc every 4 days
Andadrol 50mg Orals - 2 pills per day

Second Cycle (Current):
Test Blend 500mg - 1cc every 4 days
D-bol 50mg - 1cc every 4 days - (switched out Anadrol for D-bol, since supplier was out)
Tren A 100mg - 1/2cc every 4 days
Tren E 200mg - 1/2cc every 4 days
Andadrol 50mg Orals - 2 pills per day


My 3rd and 4th cycle I still have questions about dosage, but here's what I already have and plan to take for my last 2 cycles before PCT.

Test Blend 400mg - 1cc every 4 days
Winstrol 10mg Orals - 4 pills per day
Equipoise 200mg - 1cc every 4 days
Anavar - 10mg Orals - 2 pills per day
Tren A 100mg - 1/2cc every 4 days

and I also have Nolvadex 20mg pills and am waiting on HCG for PCT


Thats about it for the cycles. Doing 4 total.

Any feedback is welcome and appreciated.

 

[Tim23]

And I go to the gym 6 days per week, doing some reverse pyramid workout that I found through this site. The 6th day I do cardio and abs. So far gains have been great, but I think they can be better if I get my calorie and carbs up to where there supposed to be.

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Legs
Friday - Arms
Saturday - Abs and Cardio
Sunday - Rest

 

[Tim23]

Side Effects.... The only side effects I've noticed is a crazy increase in sex drive, where I want to screw just about every chick I see.

Night sweats, that I read are from the Tren.

Then a little grumpiness from time to time... mainly when I need to eat.

 

[Megatron28]

Those are some really bad first cycles. Your first cycle should have only been Test. You had no business running tren or orals.

Didn't you use an aromatase inhibitor? Did you check your estradiol levels while cycling?

PCT should be clomid and nolva. You should use hCG during your cycle. Not during PCT as it is suppressive to your HPTA.

You should get your body fat% lower. Cycling with it that high causes a lot of estradiol issues.

Why different tren esters at the same time?

Did you use a dopamine agonist to control Prolactin? Any limp dick issues while cycling?

 

[Buzzbait]

Brother you have to get your BF% down. AND I mean down BEFORE cycling. We can only go by what you say your diet is, so if what your wrote is correct, you might want to start lowering cal at about 500 PW, lower carbs first, you could be sensitive to moderate carb consumption, and implement fasting cardio. You can run into some problems with E2, like mega said, cycling at that BF. Remember diet is key, and gear is NOT a magic bean.

 

[Tim23]

@Megatron28

Those are some really bad first cycles. Your first cycle should have only been Test. You had no business running tren or orals.

Just out of curiosity, why is that bad? Too much for my body to handle for a first cycle? My first 2 weeks were on low dosages of everything, then by week 3 they got bumped up to what I posted above. Not sure if that even matters much, but figured Id throw it out there.

Didn't you use an aromatase inhibitor? Did you check your estradiol levels while cycling?

No and No. I havent had any type of blood work, but I felt amazing with tons of energy the first cycle.

PCT should be clomid and nolva. You should use hCG during your cycle. Not during PCT as it is suppressive to your HPTA.

Got it. So should I start the HCG now, or wait until my final 2 cycles?

You should get your body fat% lower. Cycling with it that high causes a lot of estradiol issues.

I started at almost 25% BF and its dropped to a little over 23% during the past 7 weeks. Been trying to cut down, but with all the eating I havent lost much.

Why different tren esters at the same time?

Not sure. When I asked my friends mentioned me only having to pin every 4 days, instead of every 2 for the tren. Other then that, I've just been following what he says, since he's on a body building team and seemed to have experience. But like I said said above... after reading through this forum, I've been starting to question how much he really knows, which is why I decided to post this.

Did you use a dopamine agonist to control Prolactin? Any limp dick issues while cycling?

No and no limp dick issues.... Its been working pretty great actually. The only negative thing is that I cant nut some times, which has become a little frustrating... but does add some good cardio to my daily routine.

 

[Tim23]

Brother you have to get your BF% down. AND I mean down BEFORE cycling. We can only go by what you say your diet is, so if what your wrote is correct, you might want to start lowering cal at about 500 PW, lower carbs first, you could be sensitive to moderate carb consumption, and implement fasting cardio. You can run into some problems with E2, like mega said, cycling at that BF. Remember diet is key, and gear is NOT a magic bean.

Yes sir... my carbs and calories havent even been half of what I posted above. Thats just what Ive been shooting for.

I also used the military style of checking BF. Using my height, weight, neck and waste measurements. Not sure how accurate that is, but Im not fat.... not cut either though.

 

[Tim23]

I guess I am a little fat... LoL. This was about a week or 2 ago.

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[Alpin]

You're taking all that stuff with ephedra as well?
You're going to throw in HCG too?
You checked your Estradiol?
Wow
Who checked your b.f % ?

 

[Megatron28]

@Megatron28

Just out of curiosity, why is that bad? Too much for my body to handle for a first cycle? My first 2 weeks were on low dosages of everything, then by week 3 they got bumped up to what I posted above. Not sure if that even matters much, but figured Id throw it out there.


No and No. I havent had any type of blood work, but I felt amazing with tons of energy the first cycle.


Got it. So should I start the HCG now, or wait until my final 2 cycles?


I started at almost 25% BF and its dropped to a little over 23% during the past 7 weeks. Been trying to cut down, but with all the eating I havent lost much.


Not sure. When I asked my friends mentioned me only having to pin every 4 days, instead of every 2 for the tren. Other then that, I've just been following what he says, since he's on a body building team and seemed to have experience. But like I said said above... after reading through this forum, I've been starting to question how much he really knows, which is why I decided to post this.


No and no limp dick issues.... Its been working pretty great actually. The only negative thing is that I cant nut some times, which has become a little frustrating... but does add some good cardio to my daily routine.

First cycle should be test only so you can learn how your body responds to it. Then you can add a new compound the next cycle. This allows you to better manage unwanted side effects.

You really should start managing estradiol. It looks like you already have gyno in your picture. You are just going to make it worse. Plus the high blood pressure, edema, fatigue and all the other bad things that come with high estradiol.

Why wouldn't you spend $50 for blood work. This seems pretty irresponsible given how easy and cheap it is.

You are higher than 25% body fat in your pic. Probably is the 30's. The aromatase enYme is found in fat tissue ( and other places). The more fat you have the more you aromatize testosterone into estradiol. You are just asking for C cups and a bra by not using an aromatase inhibitor. This is a foolish choice you have made. Get blood work tomorrow and let's see how high your estradiol is. See my signature line below.

If you are cycling now, you should use hCG. Do not use it when you are not cycling or during PCT.

That not being able to come is a symptom of high estradiol and high Prolactin. You should use a dopamine agonist to control your Prolactin.

You really jumped into AAS without doing any homework. I am glad you are here now. Please hang out here and do a lot of reading. You are really going to harm yourself if you don't start being smart about this.

How long was your first cycle? How much time off before starting your current cycle? How long will you be running your current cycle?

How long will you take off before starting cycles #3 and #4?

 

[Tim23]

You're taking all that stuff with ephedra as well?
You're going to throw in HCG too?
You checked your Estradiol?
Wow
Who checked your b.f % ?

I just got the Ephedra Fuel preworkout a little over a week ago. I've taken it maybe 3-4 times. Not a good idea?

I read and was told that HCG was for pct, so I was planning on taking it then.

I havent done any blood work, but will now.

I checked my BF, but will have the gym check it tomorrow.

 

[Tim23]

First cycle should be test only so you can learn how your body responds to it. Then you can add a new compound the next cycle. This allows you to better manage unwanted side effects.

You really should start managing estradiol. It looks like you already have gyno in your picture. You are just going to make it worse. Plus the high blood pressure, edema, fatigue and all the other bad things that come with high estradiol.

Why wouldn't you spend $50 for blood work. This seems pretty irresponsible given how easy and cheap it is.

You are higher than 25% body fat in your pic. Probably is the 30's. The aromatase enYme is found in fat tissue ( and other places). The more fat you have the more you aromatize testosterone into estradiol. You are just asking for C cups and a bra by not using an aromatase inhibitor. This is a foolish choice you have made. Get blood work tomorrow and let's see how high your estradiol is. See my signature line below.

If you are cycling now, you should use hCG. Do not use it when you are not cycling or during PCT.

That not being able to come is a symptom of high estradiol and high Prolactin. You should use a dopamine agonist to control your Prolactin.

You really jumped into AAS without doing any homework. I am glad you are here now. Please hang out here and do a lot of reading. You are really going to harm yourself if you don't start being smart about this.

How long was your first cycle? How much time off before starting your current cycle? How long will you be running your current cycle?

How long will you take off before starting cycles #3 and #4?

Holly shit... Well, Im glad I got on this site now.

As for the high Estradiol, I'll get the blood work done ASAP. I was already checking out the links in your signature.

As for the symptoms you mentioned... I have been feeling a little fatigued once I started my second cycle. Just much less energy throughout the day then what I had during my first few weeks. I also test my blood pressure ofter and Im borderline high. Not in the normal area, but not in the high zone, but in-between the 2.

I havent done the blood work, because I wasnt instructed to by the guy I've been taking instructions from.

Im not a dumb guy... but putting my full trust into this guy seems to have been a mistake.

I'll get that HCG right away. I just read here in the Steroid Profile section that HCG was suppose to be used for PCT. My friend told me this first, then reading that here verified it for me. So hearing not to take it for PCT from you, is a little confusing, but either way, I'll take your advice.

How much HCG should I take and for how long can I take it?

Dopamine Agonist... Once again, Im clueless here. If you can let me know a drug name for that, then I'll get it.

My first cycle was 5 weeks. No break in-between my first and second cycle. The cycle Im on now is my second cycle and tomorrow I'll be starting my 3rd week of this cycle, ending on week 5.

I was told to do 20 weeks straight, then PCT. So 4, five week cycles in a row. Those were the plans at least, unless you'd advise otherwise. I've already bought all the gear, and I paid a hefty price for it all... So I would like to use it, but I want to use it safely. I appreciate your help and will get whatever else I need to prevent them C cups. LoL.

 

[Tim23]

Its pretty sad when I have to take advice from a complete stranger, because a friend led me down the wrong path. He's had no issues though and neither have any of the guys he's put on the stuff.... and there are a lot of them. So I guess thats where all my trust came from. Good thing my curiosity got the best of me and made me come digging.

 

[Onk]

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[Megatron28]

Holly shit... Well, Im glad I got on this site now.

As for the high Estradiol, I'll get the blood work done ASAP. I was already checking out the links in your signature.

As for the symptoms you mentioned... I have been feeling a little fatigued once I started my second cycle. Just much less energy throughout the day then what I had during my first few weeks. I also test my blood pressure ofter and Im borderline high. Not in the normal area, but not in the high zone, but in-between the 2.

I havent done the blood work, because I wasnt instructed to by the guy I've been taking instructions from.

Im not a dumb guy... but putting my full trust into this guy seems to have been a mistake.

I'll get that HCG right away. I just read here in the Steroid Profile section that HCG was suppose to be used for PCT. My friend told me this first, then reading that here verified it for me. So hearing not to take it for PCT from you, is a little confusing, but either way, I'll take your advice.

How much HCG should I take and for how long can I take it?

Dopamine Agonist... Once again, Im clueless here. If you can let me know a drug name for that, then I'll get it.

My first cycle was 5 weeks. No break in-between my first and second cycle. The cycle Im on now is my second cycle and tomorrow I'll be starting my 3rd week of this cycle, ending on week 5.

I was told to do 20 weeks straight, then PCT. So 4, five week cycles in a row. Those were the plans at least, unless you'd advise otherwise. I've already bought all the gear, and I paid a hefty price for it all... So I would like to use it, but I want to use it safely. I appreciate your help and will get whatever else I need to prevent them C cups. LoL.

OK, first of all 20 weeks straight is not four cgcles. That is just one cycle. Unless you stop and take a break you can't call that more than one cycle?

So you are changing up your compounds every 4-5 weeks?

If you are going to keep running this cycle, please drop everything except for the testosterone. Run it at 500mg per week for 12 weeks total. You will get great gains from that. You are not ready for all the other compounds. This will also give you a lot more time to hang out here and learn.

What is the test blend that you are using? What are the different esters in it? This will dictate how frequently to pin and how long to wait before you start PCT.

As for hCG, some of the steroid profiles have old info in them. The reason that you don't want to use hCG during PCT is because it supresses your HPTA. hCG mimics LH so your pituitary doesn't put out as much LH on its own since you are getting it exogenously. Please read up on the HPTA and learn about LH, FSH, Testosterone a d Estradiol. They all play a role in your hormones. Learn how your testicles and pituitary work together. You need to understand this.

So here is what you are going to do:

Test 500mg/week for 12 weeks. Pinning frequency tbd.
hCG 2x Week at 250iu up until you begin PCT.
Arimidex at .25mg every other day up until you begin PCT.

Get blood work after about 3 weeks to see where TT and E2 are at.

Donate blood half way through your cycle to control hematocrit. Exogenous Test increases hematocrit.

PCT should be Clomid and Nolva for 4 weeks. Start time TBD depending on what esters are in your test blend.

Get into a 500/day calorie deficit to start driving your body fat % down.

Finally, I highly recommend that you get in touch with a guy by the name of 3J here. He is a moderator and a nutritionist. He can get you on a good diet. His prices are very reasonable and he has helped a lot of guys here. If you are going to run gear you should at least look like you lift weights.

 

[Megatron28]

Actually, since you have already been on cycle for 8 weeks, I recommend that you only go 4 more weeks. Limiting the length of your cycle will help you recover your natural testosterone production. The longer you are shut down, the harder it is too "turn it back on". 4 more weeks of just test at 500mg/week, Arimidex and hCG.

Continue Arimidex and hCG after last injection up until you start PCT. Again, once we k ow the blend you are using we can figure out when PCT should be started.

 

[Tim23]

So dropping everything and cutting my test in half after 8 weeks will create a positive response?

The Test Blend 500 is: Test Cypionate 200mg, Test Enanthate 200mg and Test Propionate 100mg

 

[Tim23]

Hopefully I can get that Arimidex locally.

 

[Tim23]

Actually, since you have already been on cycle for 8 weeks, I recommend that you only go 4 more weeks. Limiting the length of your cycle will help you recover your natural testosterone production. The longer you are shut down, the harder it is too "turn it back on". 4 more weeks of just test at 500mg/week, Arimidex and hCG.

Continue Arimidex and hCG after last injection up until you start PCT. Again, once we k ow the blend you are using we can figure out when PCT should be started.

Also.. there looks to be a good 100 or more lab test on that labs site. Which one should I get? I'd like to start off with blood work to see exactly where Im at. I was looking at the PrivateMDLabs.

Your signature says the Hormone Panel for males, but the cost on the site is $172, but your sig says $54, so I want to make sure Im getting the correct test.

 

[Megatron28]

Hopefully I can get that Arimidex locally.

Top of your screen is an ad for RUI. Their products are good and they deliver quickly! You can get arimidex from them.