front loading?
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VictorZ06
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You can front load with several kinds of compounds...aside from orals like dbol or drol, many like to use test prop. Some guys like to use TNE or test susp. Dose varies from person to person...pending on his/hers stats. I have a graph and a good study as to why front loading is a great benefit. Let me see if I can find it....
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VictorZ06
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Front-loading steroid cycles
Posted Jul.13, 2007 under 3.4 - Steroid Cycle Planning
There is a lot of scrutiny regarding proper anabolic-androgenic steroid cycle structure for maximal muscle gains with minimal risks. Front loading is one practice gaining attention in the bodybuilding community. This process immediately elevates blood androgen levels. Front loading omits the customary delay of obtaining peak and stable blood levels by increasing the cycle’s front-end use.
Athletes stumble onto AAS use while scavenging for further ways to promote a progressive strength training routine – especially bodybuilders and powerlifters. Strength athletes often search for ways to develop productive steroid cycling protocols by combining the clinical research that is available with personal experience; as well as gathering insight from others. Formal clinical trials analyzing anabolic steroids in sports and exercise are rare. The medical community perceives little application for large performance-enhancing amounts of AAS to treat disease – even though many athletes would argue poor performance is an adverse health condition. Mostly through trial and error, numerous informal studies and private research examines various steroid cycling methods and how they can present a positive impact on performance and body composition. This information is generally shared through social networks, to include using online messaging software.
Steroid hormones meant for intramuscular injection have attached fatty (carboxylic) acid esters to delay the hormone’s actions. They create a slow-release depot within the muscle for sustained and even blood levels. Instead of being immediately metabolize, the parent hormone is steadily released for days, or weeks. The rate at which the hormone is released is based on the ester’s characteristics; such as length and weight. Commonly available heavy, long esters are: enanthate, cypionate or decanoate.
Due to a slow release, when a steroid with an attached heavy ester is injected at routine intervals, peak plasma concentrations can take weeks to elevate and remain stable. This is why most users do not notice performance results with heavy esters until a few weeks into the AAS cycle. Plasma levels must first build up to significant amounts to support the events associated with gains in strength and muscle mass. The ester’s speed of release is typically documented by it’s associated half-life, the time it takes for half of the administered steroid to metabolize. Active lives are also published, indicating the estimated time for full absorption of the compound.
Many bodybuilders and powerlifters have begun to omit the waiting period for peak blood levels with front loading. Most users report muscular gains are best made during the first several weeks of an anabolic steroid cycle; results dwindle after six to eight weeks of application. Immediately flooding the system with growth hormones makes the most of this sensitive period. Simply put: front loading gets the cycle started quicker – while the body is most receptive of growth cues. Also, a quicker onset can present an option for shorter cycle duration; resulting in less impact to the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis for easier post-cycle recovery of natural androgen production.
Normally, the same drug administered during the cycle is used to front load. The perfect front-load can be accurately calculated for stable release using figures and charts, but it’s cumbersome. There is some simplified guidance for front loading a heavy-ester cycle. First, calculate weekly use; administering 250 milligrams of testosterone enanthate every three days is equal to 583 milligrams per week (250/3*7). Then, double the weekly use and administer that amount prior to the first half life from the first injection – around four days for testosterone enanthate. Alternatively, the same compound with a lighter ester can be used, such as acetate or propionate.
Today, many users are starting to front-load steroid cycles every time a heavy ester is used – to eliminate delayed affects on body composition and strength. Many others merely jump start a cycle with orals or suspensions, drugs without an ester allow quick absorption. Either method will boost blood levels up quickly to fully exploit the early responsive period – a time when the body is primed for growth and will best use the hormonal signals for amplified muscle growth.
According to basic pharmacology, a single dose of 250mg of testosterone enanthate will deliver the parent hormone at it’s highest values the first 10 days; around 31, 27, 23, 20, 18, 15, 13, 12, 10 and nine milligrams, respectfully. After 10 days, the amounts released become negligible. Repeated injections create an overlap that gradually builds up blood levels. Actual amounts are affected by the injection site and technique, personal differences in physiology and the sites body fat levels.
The above cycle illustrates testosterone enanthate administered at 250 milligrams every three days; with and without a front load. The front loaded portion was accurately configured and applied with 500 milligrams on day one, 250 milligrams on day two, a day off and then 250 milligrams every third day for the cycle’s duration. The front load is 1000 milligrams within the first four days – almost twice the weekly administered amount (583mg). Blood testosterone volume is immediately elevated and reasonably stable the first week with the front load.
Non-front-loaded administration did not elevate and stabilize blood levels until over three weeks after the cycle’s launch. This is why results normally don’t manifest themselves for many weeks without a proper front load.
Check out this chart....
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Posted Jul.13, 2007 under 3.4 - Steroid Cycle Planning
There is a lot of scrutiny regarding proper anabolic-androgenic steroid cycle structure for maximal muscle gains with minimal risks. Front loading is one practice gaining attention in the bodybuilding community. This process immediately elevates blood androgen levels. Front loading omits the customary delay of obtaining peak and stable blood levels by increasing the cycle’s front-end use.
Athletes stumble onto AAS use while scavenging for further ways to promote a progressive strength training routine – especially bodybuilders and powerlifters. Strength athletes often search for ways to develop productive steroid cycling protocols by combining the clinical research that is available with personal experience; as well as gathering insight from others. Formal clinical trials analyzing anabolic steroids in sports and exercise are rare. The medical community perceives little application for large performance-enhancing amounts of AAS to treat disease – even though many athletes would argue poor performance is an adverse health condition. Mostly through trial and error, numerous informal studies and private research examines various steroid cycling methods and how they can present a positive impact on performance and body composition. This information is generally shared through social networks, to include using online messaging software.
Steroid hormones meant for intramuscular injection have attached fatty (carboxylic) acid esters to delay the hormone’s actions. They create a slow-release depot within the muscle for sustained and even blood levels. Instead of being immediately metabolize, the parent hormone is steadily released for days, or weeks. The rate at which the hormone is released is based on the ester’s characteristics; such as length and weight. Commonly available heavy, long esters are: enanthate, cypionate or decanoate.
Due to a slow release, when a steroid with an attached heavy ester is injected at routine intervals, peak plasma concentrations can take weeks to elevate and remain stable. This is why most users do not notice performance results with heavy esters until a few weeks into the AAS cycle. Plasma levels must first build up to significant amounts to support the events associated with gains in strength and muscle mass. The ester’s speed of release is typically documented by it’s associated half-life, the time it takes for half of the administered steroid to metabolize. Active lives are also published, indicating the estimated time for full absorption of the compound.
Many bodybuilders and powerlifters have begun to omit the waiting period for peak blood levels with front loading. Most users report muscular gains are best made during the first several weeks of an anabolic steroid cycle; results dwindle after six to eight weeks of application. Immediately flooding the system with growth hormones makes the most of this sensitive period. Simply put: front loading gets the cycle started quicker – while the body is most receptive of growth cues. Also, a quicker onset can present an option for shorter cycle duration; resulting in less impact to the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis for easier post-cycle recovery of natural androgen production.
Normally, the same drug administered during the cycle is used to front load. The perfect front-load can be accurately calculated for stable release using figures and charts, but it’s cumbersome. There is some simplified guidance for front loading a heavy-ester cycle. First, calculate weekly use; administering 250 milligrams of testosterone enanthate every three days is equal to 583 milligrams per week (250/3*7). Then, double the weekly use and administer that amount prior to the first half life from the first injection – around four days for testosterone enanthate. Alternatively, the same compound with a lighter ester can be used, such as acetate or propionate.
Today, many users are starting to front-load steroid cycles every time a heavy ester is used – to eliminate delayed affects on body composition and strength. Many others merely jump start a cycle with orals or suspensions, drugs without an ester allow quick absorption. Either method will boost blood levels up quickly to fully exploit the early responsive period – a time when the body is primed for growth and will best use the hormonal signals for amplified muscle growth.
According to basic pharmacology, a single dose of 250mg of testosterone enanthate will deliver the parent hormone at it’s highest values the first 10 days; around 31, 27, 23, 20, 18, 15, 13, 12, 10 and nine milligrams, respectfully. After 10 days, the amounts released become negligible. Repeated injections create an overlap that gradually builds up blood levels. Actual amounts are affected by the injection site and technique, personal differences in physiology and the sites body fat levels.
The above cycle illustrates testosterone enanthate administered at 250 milligrams every three days; with and without a front load. The front loaded portion was accurately configured and applied with 500 milligrams on day one, 250 milligrams on day two, a day off and then 250 milligrams every third day for the cycle’s duration. The front load is 1000 milligrams within the first four days – almost twice the weekly administered amount (583mg). Blood testosterone volume is immediately elevated and reasonably stable the first week with the front load.
Non-front-loaded administration did not elevate and stabilize blood levels until over three weeks after the cycle’s launch. This is why results normally don’t manifest themselves for many weeks without a proper front load.
Check out this chart....
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VictorZ06
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You can start now, the shorter the ester...the quicker it will work. Your test and deca have not yet began working, so you can start fronting now.
If I run a cycle with nandralone deca, I will use NPP as well to front until the longer ester nandralone kicks in. As for test, many use prop as it's easier to find than TNE or susp. But to know how much to take of prop, TNE, susp, etc....it's best to get blood work done so you know how your body responds (for your next cycle)....so when your next cycle comes around, you will have all the math down right. I front with prop, and use TNE pre-workout on training days. But, I know my math and I'm sure to use the right dose so I don't have much flux in blood plasma levels. I love TNE pre-workout!! (with a side of drol or maybe halo)
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If I run a cycle with nandralone deca, I will use NPP as well to front until the longer ester nandralone kicks in. As for test, many use prop as it's easier to find than TNE or susp. But to know how much to take of prop, TNE, susp, etc....it's best to get blood work done so you know how your body responds (for your next cycle)....so when your next cycle comes around, you will have all the math down right. I front with prop, and use TNE pre-workout on training days. But, I know my math and I'm sure to use the right dose so I don't have much flux in blood plasma levels. I love TNE pre-workout!! (with a side of drol or maybe halo)
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MeatHead96
Jacked and Tan
Frontloadings not gonna do a whole lot for you. It is way better to kickstart with orals or short esters.
MeatHead96
Jacked and Tan
Your talking about kickstarting man. Frontloading is where you take higher doses of a longer ester compound at the beginning of a cycle. Big difference.
crazyfmike
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I have hesitated to post on the thread/subject, but here I go.
Frontloading is frontloading and kickstarting is kickstarting, the above post begins to clarify this. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Frontloading aka flooding rececptors with ridiculous mgs is a sure fire why to end up mid/late and cycle feeling flat and wanting/needing more mgs for the same effect (running higher then necessary for the same effect).
Running allot of mgs just bring sides, BP, E2 issues, liver toxic and RBC problems etc. And once you've sent 2000mgs week into your body the 750mg a week mid to late cycle most likely end up feeling like nothing.
I did a frontload, it was the worst cycle ever and I ended up running way too high feeling like shit.
PITBULLLOCK
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Wham bam thank you mam, god i love this guy. Kick start yes, frontloading, no way. The BP abnormalities alone should be enough for anybody to say nah..
palmers
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what npp? its a prop version of deca right? they need to add it to the "steroid profiles" cause if i knew about that stuff i wouldda done that instead of the deca... im doing a 15 week cycle cause of the long ester of deca when its above my comfort zone lol... just a lil nervous my last one was only 11 weeks
ethan_andrew
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agreed. I like keeping doses as level as possible instead of going high in the beginning to avoid feeling diminished later on.
VictorZ06
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I have frontloaded most all of my cycles, WITH a kick start. Works rather well for me and all my blood work proves it.
NPP is called Nandrolone PhenylPropionate, a shorter ester of nandralone, or as many would say "deca". I love the stuff, works fast and gives you less bloat. Most of my long cycles that are say...16-18 weeks, I use NPP for the first half of the cycle, and switch over to tren ace to harden my gains for the NPP for the rest of the cycle.
I ran 4 cycles like this, and I will continue to keep running them all it the same way. Some say never to use 2 19nors in the same cycle, but if you can control your prolactin....it can be done. Either way, I don't run them at the same time....and caber or prami is a must. IMHO.
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VictorZ06
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As far as frontloading goes, for those of you who disagree...I guess the study I posted above was a bit difficult to understand. I can post sources of the study if need be, but I'll try to better explain it to those who are just starting out.
Frontloading = good.
Non-frontloading = "ok", but not as effective.
I didn't make up the study above, nor did I personally conduct the tests or put the graph together. It seems like a lot of folks here would rather live by the rules of "bro science", instead of actual and legitimate research science. I listen to my MD, my fellow vets, and above all....what my blood work tells me. Oh well!
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Frontloading = good.
Non-frontloading = "ok", but not as effective.
I didn't make up the study above, nor did I personally conduct the tests or put the graph together. It seems like a lot of folks here would rather live by the rules of "bro science", instead of actual and legitimate research science. I listen to my MD, my fellow vets, and above all....what my blood work tells me. Oh well!
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CFM-what are your thoughts on kickstart for a newbie?
I don't agree with any of the posts claiming front loading is bad, kickstarting is better, or that neither is good. They both accomplish the same thing - getting plasma levels of destrified hormone to a therapeutic level more quickly. To suggest that you would somehow experience greater sides with front loading vs. kickstarting is pure nonsense because your body simply can't distinguish between having more mgs. of long ester vs. less mgs. of short ester - the only thing that matters is the level of destrified hormone because it does nothing until it is destrified. Also, to claim that injecting lots of long ester hormones will somehow "burn you out" and make the cycle ineffective is total nonsense as well. If all other things are equal and you take the same cycle and add a front load to it, it will be more effective and that is a fact that cannot be refuted.
I've used both methods and they both work fine. I prefer front loading only because it requires less volume of injections and test enanthate shots produce no soreness in me while test prop shots do.
I've used both methods and they both work fine. I prefer front loading only because it requires less volume of injections and test enanthate shots produce no soreness in me while test prop shots do.
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