Fyi-----tren users

[Italiano SPO]

Since everyone knows me as a person who uses Tren, I felt it was my duty to share what I've recently learned. I've only used Tren over the past year and let me tell you that the impact it has on your liver is like no other AAS and it doesn't matter what kind of liver supps you are taking....they aren't going to stop the damage that Tren can and will cause in the longrun. I've used many other compounds and my bloodwork would always be somewhat out of whack when I'm on but never to the point that the doctor told me if you keep using that stuff, you're looking at cirrhosis. Mind you, my doctor knows I use and I wouldn't have it any other way so I know how my body is reacting and when "enough is enough" as in this situation. Anyway, my AST and ALT were so high that it was unbelievable. My point with this thread is just to make sure you are having someone monitor your labs if you are going to use or monitor them yourself and be educated. I think we all know how harsh Tren can be but don't really give it much thought if we aren't having our labs done...."out of sight, out of mind?" I love Tren but not at the expense of it shutting down my liver someday so I have to say bye bye to Tren and will stick to compounds that are much easier on my body. I never wanted to stop Tren altogether but it's clear that this compound can wreak havoc on your body, even in the short time you're using it. I'm just glad I have always kept up with labs so I didn't find out when it could potentially be too late. If anything, I hope this thread makes you more aware of what you do and just be smart about what you do and how you do it. Cheers

 

[blazeftp]

Thanks for the info Italiano SPO.
I always said to myself that i would only run Tren once.

Do you run the Tablets or Injectable ?

 

[Ninpo]

Hope your ok SPO!

You have definitely turned me off Tren for a while!

 

[Italiano SPO]

Thanks for the info Italiano SPO.
I always said to myself that i would only run Tren once.

Do you run the Tablets or Injectable ?

Tren Enanthate

 

[Italiano SPO]

Hope your ok SPO!

You have definitely turned me off Tren for a while!

I should be fine and thanks. I have to go back in two months to have the liver panel repeated. I'm certain it will be near normal again after dropping Tren. It was a real eye opener as to just how harsh Tren is. It's really in a league of it's own.

 

[barrysanders]

Getting lab work is so essential. And its sad because I know that people dont get it done. I think I'm going to start including it in my post cycle therapy (pct) protocal when people ask what to do for post cycle therapy (pct).

I personally have been really lucky and havent had to many problems thus far (even after running OT).

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

that's one of the reason i prefer to make two short cycles than one long. it works.

 

[drewbolic]

sorry to hear that pal.
But what connection did you or your doctor make that tren is the cause of the abnormal liver levels?
I have heard this in the past but has always been disputed and never directly documented.Some same it does damage to your kidneys but of further research IMO that claim is from dark urine color from impurity's passing through but not from actual damage of the kidney.
All in all this is a great thread started and educational in the dangers off AAS.

 

[Italiano SPO]

sorry to hear that pal.
But what connection did you or your doctor make that tren is the cause of the abnormal liver levels?
I have heard this in the past but has always been disputed and never directly documented.Some same it does damage to your kidneys but of further research IMO that claim is from dark urine color from impurity's passing through but not from actual damage of the kidney.
All in all this is a great thread started and educational in the dangers off AAS.

The only correlation Drew is that I've run many cycles and compounds in the past and when I first introduced Tren, the difference in my labs was just too huge to ignore. I wouldn't say we have concrete evidence but the fact I have run many different things and my labwork has always been pretty consistent every other time is enough for me to conclude that it has to be the Tren. It's the only factor that is different than any of my other cycles so I guess you can kind of draw your own conclusions....perhaps.

 

[zedhed]

WOW! Thanks for the headzup SPO. Hope it clears up for you bro.

 

[snigg]

give us your history about how much tren you've run, how long, etc. thanks.

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

give us your history about how much tren you've run, how long, etc. thanks.

please do.. cycles per yr.. cycle lengths.. yrs on.. get into detail please, and thankyou..

 

[WolfsLair]

This is a great tread for those considering tren or for that fact most orals. Liver damage is no fucking joke and can go undetected a long time, till it is too late. No amount of Liv-52, liver juice or UDCA will help if you stress the liver too far. I have seen 3 close family members die due to liver disease. It is a horrible long drawn out painful death.

Italiano I am happy you watch your labs and have caught this early. Thanks for the HUGE heads up for those too ignorant to use blood work when cycling.

 

[MadChild]

Im takind tren enthanate now at 300mg/week as it is mixed in a blend called tte i am taking with eq. It is test enth, test cyp and tren enth. I get my blood checked regularly. Do you have any suggestions for me? I take liver care.

 

[iwant2bshredded]

Italiano,
I was checking out UDCA from RUI. Is this something that could help you retain proper liver function? Please excuse my ignorance if i am wrong!


EDIT: Nevermind, I just seen WolfsLiar's post about Liv52 and UDCA. Best of luck to ya bro, Keep us updated!

 

[Italiano SPO]

give us your history about how much tren you've run, how long, etc. thanks.

I only have run Tren E twice at 400mg each EW for 10 weeks. I've been cycling for about 4 years and only have done Deca/Test/Dbol other than the two most recent runs with Tren. I've never run Tren longer than 10 weeks at a clip and this most recent time I'm only in about 5 weeks and my labs, specificially AST and ALT are really BAD. Hopefully that gives you some info. The point is, Tren is some bad shit....and I think Teutonic can attest to it as well. I just never really realized how bad.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

to heal liver dammage, it needs almost 300 days of treatment.

the compounds which the most effective result is thistle ED.

and nerprun one time per week for 3 month.

liver could regenrate but it takes time for it.

 

[RJ]

first off, sorry about your liver issues ISPO. I'm sure you'll be fine after some time goes by.

One thing i want to say, as this is surely gonna happen, is that just because Italian had some high liver values, and his doctor concluded it was because of Tren, that doesn't mean the same thing will happen to everyone else. Hell, it doesn't even mean it will happen to ANYONE else. Yes Tren is a strong steroid, but more people get scared away from Tren because of someones bad experience when it may be just that... THEIR experience. I personally have ran Tren in every way imaginable, the longest being 18 weeks of Tren E @ 500mg/w. Like every other cycle, my liver values were slightly elevated, but nothing outside the normal side of high range.

What everyone should get out of this thread is that bloodwork, like Italian and others pointed out, is prolly the most essential thing that needs to be done not only after, but before and during cycles as well. Most insurance covers it and if it doesn't, isn't a couple hundred bucks worth your health?

Using AAS isn't a game, but it can be done with no incident if all bases are covered. Yes you will have exceptions to every rule, but if you follow the simple guidelines laid out for a proper post cycle therapy (pct), you should have no issue at all.

Sorry to jump your thread ISPO, this is a great thread, especially for the newbs... even ones considering things other than Tren. To me Drol is ten times worse on the liver than Tren. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[B-BOI]

I agree, blood test's are very important if your going to be running aas. I get tested before, half way through and after. Some may think it's over kill but my health is important to me.

Hope all goes well ISPO.

 

[Italiano SPO]

first off, sorry about your liver issues ISPO. I'm sure you'll be fine after some time goes by.

One thing i want to say, as this is surely gonna happen, is that just because Italian had some high liver values, and his doctor concluded it was because of Tren, that doesn't mean the same thing will happen to everyone else. Hell, it doesn't even mean it will happen to ANYONE else. Yes Tren is a strong steroid, but more people get scared away from Tren because of someones bad experience when it may be just that... THEIR experience. I personally have ran Tren in every way imaginable, the longest being 18 weeks of Tren E @ 500mg/w. Like every other cycle, my liver values were slightly elevated, but nothing outside the normal side of high range.

What everyone should get out of this thread is that bloodwork, like Italian and others pointed out, is prolly the most essential thing that needs to be done not only after, but before and during cycles as well. Most insurance covers it and if it doesn't, isn't a couple hundred bucks worth your health?

Using AAS isn't a game, but it can be done with no incident if all bases are covered. Yes you will have exceptions to every rule, but if you follow the simple guidelines laid out for a proper post cycle therapy (pct), you should have no issue at all.

Sorry to jump your thread ISPO, this is a great thread, especially for the newbs... even ones considering things other than Tren. To me Drol is ten times worse on the liver than Tren. Good luck and keep us posted.

All good bro...your input is always welcome and your point is the same I was trying to make....GET YOUR LABS DONE. We all know how things impact all of us differently. Unfortunately for me, Tren will have to be elimininated from my ongoing stash. It's ok though....I got other things that work but Tren has always been the most effective for me.