I'll have to give it another go I think. I went from 195 to 225 with 8.5% BodyFat on Gen-Shi. I've been training for years and done a few previous cycles. And it def has gotten my further than I thought without mega dosing. Although I was also using igf1lr3 and Balkan dbol. I've kept all my gains, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt and try again and have blood tests done before starting, 5 weeks in, and during the final week.