GH serum testing? flawed! back to IGF testing!

[tod36]

So what I'm understanding here is that if I start injecting gh my body will stop prodicng its own. Do I really want to do that then? If yes, should I be looking at igf too? Boy, that's a whole different path to follow........ and learn about. Worth it?

Thoughts?

Show me how thick is your wallet, I'll tell you if you can afford this path.

 

[Zeek]

It seems it probably is flawed for strength of dosage purposes but if one gets a .2 or similar reading 2 hours after injection of supposedly 10iu I'd think we could probably be certain that there's no GH in that dose. Conversely if you get a 12/15/etc reading even though it varies and maybe not be reliable for actual dosage strength, I think we can assume that there is a legitimate amount of GH.

My IGF/serum test on Kigs, 2hours after 10iu injection, was .3 serum and 265 IGF. I'll probably just end up getting both again in the future to be certain I've got all bases covered.

The gh game out there is just horrible! can there really only be 1-2 brands of chinese generics that are even worth messing with?

So what I'm understanding here is that if I start injecting gh my body will stop prodicng its own. Do I really want to do that then? If yes, should I be looking at igf too? Boy, that's a whole different path to follow........ and learn about. Worth it?

Thoughts?

I'm sorry bah1a this thread here will really do nothing but confuse someone just getting started out more than anything. We are basically trying to determine appx strength of HGH by using two testing methods available to everyone. One of those methods, the more results posted the more it appears it is no good for determining str, just if there is "some" gh present.

With GH the body doesn't stay shut down and many will argue that your body does indeed keep producing gh even if you are injecting it. I do not share this viewpoint but good luck proving which is right or wrong since there are contradicting studies out there on this.

I have never known of anyone who stopped using hgh and then their body would not make it again. Now with AAS that is a different can of worms.

User,

I believe that these guys scoring low do indeed have antibodies built up that attack and minimize the amount of gh in the body and hence the lower scores.

Go back 6+ months to when ppl were doing IGF tests much more than serum and there were obvious patterns on the quality brands and lower scores on the lesser ones. Should be dozens of them to be found on _ _

 

[rigby]

hi , i am not disputing or agreeing with what is being stated here, as frankly i don't have the relevant knowledge to do either.

But one thing i have read is the reason that igf is chosen over gh serum when a single blood test is being used to look at growth hormone deficiencies/over production etc, because with gh for the vast majority of the time your serum level sits at virtually 0 until you have a GH pulse, so for the most part everybody would simply give a result near 0 even with perfectly normal GH secretion function.

as IGF levels are stable and dependent on GH secretion , this is why IGF is the preferred test because if your GH secretion is not working properly your IGF levels will generally reflect this.

I'm sure when testing more thoroughly they generally monitor a patient over a 24 hr period , to measure their GH secretion over a prolonged period.

 

[Zeek]

hi , i am not disputing or agreeing with what is being stated here, as frankly i don't have the relevant knowledge to do either.

But one thing i have read is the reason that igf is chosen over gh serum when a single blood test is being used to look at growth hormone deficiencies/over production etc, because with gh for the vast majority of the time your serum level sits at virtually 0 until you have a GH pulse, so for the most part everybody would simply give a result near 0 even with perfectly normal GH secretion function.

as IGF levels are stable and dependent on GH secretion , this is why IGF is the preferred test because if your GH secretion is not working properly your IGF levels will generally reflect this.

I'm sure when testing more thoroughly they generally monitor a patient over a 24 hr period , to measure their GH secretion over a prolonged period.

Good info and thank you for sharing!