gh timming
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Ripped2Shreds
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Big debate about it on this board between Ironmaster and Supergirl. Ironmaster says AM and PM (afternoon), and Supergirl says bedtime injections. I wonder if their ages has anything to do with their results. Ironmaster being older, I don't know how old supergirl is. I'm currently doing AM and PM, but starting next week will be doing 2 iu's AM and 2iu's bedtime. I usually fall asleep after my PM injection anyway.
JohnnyB
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I'll be starting in about 4-5 weeks, I'll be doing before bed time injections. I think with the depot being what everyones talking about. The debate on am or pm is mute, cause if your doing the depot, your getting am and pm releases.
I read an article/post that made sence. It talked about how we devolope during puberty, this is when we devolope our muscle. HGH and testosterone levels are high in this stage of life. We eat all the time because we are growing and devoloping. Our HGH is released at night naturally some our bodys are made to responed to it at this time, when asleep. We release a melitonin that lowers our insulin so HGH can be released. So if our bodys are set up to release hgh at night it would make sence that, that would be the time to use it.
Now if your trying to mimic that stage in life, which I think we are, you'd need some test also. I'm going with 500-600mg a week, I'm doing 2 ICN amps a week with 400 of primo. This will being my androgen levels up to 8-10 times higher then they were when I was in puberty.
When jyzza talked to Tom Price he said night was what they all did(so to speak), I remember hearing how the pros went through puberty again when they used HGH. Now I think I understand how this rumor got started, was it that they were mimicing puberty?
In puberty our insulin sensitivity goes up to, so if your going to use slin. I'd do a slin hgh injection post workout and a before bed time injection. But sence I haven't used slin or looked into it I don't want to comment any more on it.
JohnnyB
I read an article/post that made sence. It talked about how we devolope during puberty, this is when we devolope our muscle. HGH and testosterone levels are high in this stage of life. We eat all the time because we are growing and devoloping. Our HGH is released at night naturally some our bodys are made to responed to it at this time, when asleep. We release a melitonin that lowers our insulin so HGH can be released. So if our bodys are set up to release hgh at night it would make sence that, that would be the time to use it.
Now if your trying to mimic that stage in life, which I think we are, you'd need some test also. I'm going with 500-600mg a week, I'm doing 2 ICN amps a week with 400 of primo. This will being my androgen levels up to 8-10 times higher then they were when I was in puberty.
When jyzza talked to Tom Price he said night was what they all did(so to speak), I remember hearing how the pros went through puberty again when they used HGH. Now I think I understand how this rumor got started, was it that they were mimicing puberty?
In puberty our insulin sensitivity goes up to, so if your going to use slin. I'd do a slin hgh injection post workout and a before bed time injection. But sence I haven't used slin or looked into it I don't want to comment any more on it.
JohnnyB
according to some of the kits availabe they say night time inj.before bed time.
I personally split it up 3iu in the am once i wake up and 3iu before bed..
According to what i've read am shots or day time shots help strenghten tendions and ligamans night time shots help increase you're own nat. GH along with an aray of other benefits
I notice more fat burning results when i take a shot before bed time.
All i can say is i've been on GH now for 8 months and i've had some considerably good results. The kits i use R EUROTECH.
Biotec....
I personally split it up 3iu in the am once i wake up and 3iu before bed..
According to what i've read am shots or day time shots help strenghten tendions and ligamans night time shots help increase you're own nat. GH along with an aray of other benefits
I notice more fat burning results when i take a shot before bed time.
All i can say is i've been on GH now for 8 months and i've had some considerably good results. The kits i use R EUROTECH.
Biotec....
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doggy
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posted by Botov on rippedcanadians:
From my experience it's best to split the dose in two:
First dose 15 minutes after training session (or less if possible).
Second dose 6 hours later.
Obviously this works best with morning training. If you train in the evening I'd take the first dose in the AM and the second dose 15 minutes post-workout.
BTW, In my opinion GH injection before bedtime are to be avoided for maximum bodybuilding/athletic results.
Why?
Because that's when your natural GH output is at its highest. If you inject GH at this time your body won't release any GH on its own.
HOWEVER if you inject way before, and that there is no GH left in your body when comes bed time, you will still get that natural GH burst. This way you can get 3 daily GH bursts!
Now, those recommending pre-bedtime injections are those who take all their info from the pharmaceutical/therapeutic use of GH. Remember that the "official" use of GH is for individuals who do not secrete GH. So they take GH to mimick the natural body cycle (which is to release GH at night). This is fine an well for this purpose, but for maximum bodybuilding results you will want to use GH in a way that will not blunt your natural night spike.
Provided that there is an insulin spike (either from insulin injection - 3-4IU for each IU of GH) or from a carbs meal GH will have anabolic and anti-catabolic effects.
The fact that you grow while resting as much more to do with the hormonal response that occurs (which we can mimick) and by the fact that your body has a very low caloric expenditure (so most of the body ressources can be diverted to protein synthesis, muscle repair and restoration of the energy stores).
By using GH post-workout you can really increase the adaptive response and especially your recovery from your workout (hence increase your gains). Furthermore the fact that a good post-workout meal contains a lot of carbs and proteins (thus leads to an increase in insulin) will potentiate the effect of GH.
And with two daily injection + a night spike you really get the most out of your GH cycle without having to use monster doses (2 x 2IU is sufficient, some might go as high as 2 x 3IU).
Which brings me to an important point:
GH loses much of its efficacy (as far as building muscle) if you are on a low-carbs diet.
Here's from a scientific paper on the use of GH for sports improvement (Sonksen PH, Insulin, growth hormone and sport. Journal of Endocrinology, 2001, 170, 13-25):
"Without insulin, GH loses much if not all of its anabolic action. GH and IGF-1 stimulate protein synthesis directly, while insulin is anabolic through inhibiting protein breakdown. The anabolic action of both GH and IGF-1 appears to be mediated throught induction of amino acid transporters in the cell membrane (...)"
The important point being that those who do not get much out of GH might not be consuming enough carbs. Unless you want to inject insulin (which is not a safe practice IMHO) you have to ingest a significant amount of carbs to get an insulin spike high enough to make GH effective.
However if GH is used *only* for fat-loss (which is idiotic IMHO as there are much cheaper alternative to fat loss) GH and a low-carbs diet are probably fine. But for my money, I want all I can get from GH!
From my experience it's best to split the dose in two:
First dose 15 minutes after training session (or less if possible).
Second dose 6 hours later.
Obviously this works best with morning training. If you train in the evening I'd take the first dose in the AM and the second dose 15 minutes post-workout.
BTW, In my opinion GH injection before bedtime are to be avoided for maximum bodybuilding/athletic results.
Why?
Because that's when your natural GH output is at its highest. If you inject GH at this time your body won't release any GH on its own.
HOWEVER if you inject way before, and that there is no GH left in your body when comes bed time, you will still get that natural GH burst. This way you can get 3 daily GH bursts!
Now, those recommending pre-bedtime injections are those who take all their info from the pharmaceutical/therapeutic use of GH. Remember that the "official" use of GH is for individuals who do not secrete GH. So they take GH to mimick the natural body cycle (which is to release GH at night). This is fine an well for this purpose, but for maximum bodybuilding results you will want to use GH in a way that will not blunt your natural night spike.
Provided that there is an insulin spike (either from insulin injection - 3-4IU for each IU of GH) or from a carbs meal GH will have anabolic and anti-catabolic effects.
The fact that you grow while resting as much more to do with the hormonal response that occurs (which we can mimick) and by the fact that your body has a very low caloric expenditure (so most of the body ressources can be diverted to protein synthesis, muscle repair and restoration of the energy stores).
By using GH post-workout you can really increase the adaptive response and especially your recovery from your workout (hence increase your gains). Furthermore the fact that a good post-workout meal contains a lot of carbs and proteins (thus leads to an increase in insulin) will potentiate the effect of GH.
And with two daily injection + a night spike you really get the most out of your GH cycle without having to use monster doses (2 x 2IU is sufficient, some might go as high as 2 x 3IU).
Which brings me to an important point:
GH loses much of its efficacy (as far as building muscle) if you are on a low-carbs diet.
Here's from a scientific paper on the use of GH for sports improvement (Sonksen PH, Insulin, growth hormone and sport. Journal of Endocrinology, 2001, 170, 13-25):
"Without insulin, GH loses much if not all of its anabolic action. GH and IGF-1 stimulate protein synthesis directly, while insulin is anabolic through inhibiting protein breakdown. The anabolic action of both GH and IGF-1 appears to be mediated throught induction of amino acid transporters in the cell membrane (...)"
The important point being that those who do not get much out of GH might not be consuming enough carbs. Unless you want to inject insulin (which is not a safe practice IMHO) you have to ingest a significant amount of carbs to get an insulin spike high enough to make GH effective.
However if GH is used *only* for fat-loss (which is idiotic IMHO as there are much cheaper alternative to fat loss) GH and a low-carbs diet are probably fine. But for my money, I want all I can get from GH!
JohnnyB
Community Veteran
If you do 2 daliy injection chances are your going to shut down your hgh. Depending on what time you do them, but it can shut you down from 6-12 hours. With no hgh when your body is made to release it, your defeating the purpose.
We have to do our own studying and decide for ourselves what's best and do it and if we're wrong we have to be willing to change or waste the money we spent on the hgh.
I think keeping it simple is the best way, I think night time is best and if your going to add day time post training it should be with slin. I'm not ready for slin so I'll go with night time.
JohnnyB
We have to do our own studying and decide for ourselves what's best and do it and if we're wrong we have to be willing to change or waste the money we spent on the hgh.
I think keeping it simple is the best way, I think night time is best and if your going to add day time post training it should be with slin. I'm not ready for slin so I'll go with night time.
JohnnyB
