going to do a 2 week cycle need advice
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Ghost124
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keep bulking. I see more fat than muscle
Clen+1800 calorie diet will make you lose the little muscle you have.
And stop dirty bulking. That never works.
i had my macros i wasnt dirty bulking
first of all you should never predetermine your dosages for any compounds, because that only leads you to get these numbers stuck in your head. take a small dose, and listen to your body to see if it's right for you to increase.
if you insist on cutting with these drugs, i would choose t3 over clen. why? because i would rather have a fucked up thyroid than a fucked up heart. t3 is a better fat burner because it targets weight loss at one of the sources and there are virtually no side effects, aside from a bit of lethargy which you already experience with clen.
anyway bro you're more like 17% bodyfat, if not more. when i was your age i was 5'9 175lbs @ 14% bodyfat and i was a pretty big dude. so you're either bullshitting about your weight or you pulled that bodyfat number out of your ass.
you look 175-180 @ 17-18% bodyfat. with that being said, before bulking you should get as lean as you possibly can. a lean skinny guy is closer to looking good than a fat muscular guy. lets say you cut now to from 17 to 10% bodyfat.. you will lose most, if not all of what you've gained on the bulk. but if you started bulking at 10%, and gained 3% bodyfat on the bulk, you would still look better than you look now and you won't lose much muscle because your cut will be slower.
if you insist on cutting with these drugs, i would choose t3 over clen. why? because i would rather have a fucked up thyroid than a fucked up heart. t3 is a better fat burner because it targets weight loss at one of the sources and there are virtually no side effects, aside from a bit of lethargy which you already experience with clen.
anyway bro you're more like 17% bodyfat, if not more. when i was your age i was 5'9 175lbs @ 14% bodyfat and i was a pretty big dude. so you're either bullshitting about your weight or you pulled that bodyfat number out of your ass.
you look 175-180 @ 17-18% bodyfat. with that being said, before bulking you should get as lean as you possibly can. a lean skinny guy is closer to looking good than a fat muscular guy. lets say you cut now to from 17 to 10% bodyfat.. you will lose most, if not all of what you've gained on the bulk. but if you started bulking at 10%, and gained 3% bodyfat on the bulk, you would still look better than you look now and you won't lose much muscle because your cut will be slower.
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You need to do a lot more research before you go spouting off at the mouth. T3 is catabolic and will not discriminate what it burns. It will take fat and muscle off you. It should be run with test also to help reduce the amount of muscle lost. Being he's 21 he isn't no where ready to for test.
Honestly why do you retards think that all these drugs are miracle fat burners and your going to get shredded by taking them. You take take all the clen and T3 in the world but if your diet isn't right it would be worthless.
BTW a fucked up thyroid can make you a fat ass butterball or a skinny no muscle having loser
luckypaul
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Agreed 1800 cals is a very bad idea. You will lose mass and slow your metabolism making even harder to reduce body fat.
Ghost124
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DING DING DING! Story time!!
As soon as I saw this:
I need to share this.
I was on T3 this summer(with test, yes NEVER use T3 while you're off and OP is too young to cycle so T3 should be out of the question). So I was running a small dose. One morning I woke up with very bad chest pains and a very very fast racing heart. I thought it was my anxiety acting up but 2 hours of chest pain and very fast racing heart made me go to the emergency room and check myself in. They put my finger to the oxymonitor and checked my blood pressure. Usually you have to wait 3-5 hours to be seen from the ER. Whatever they saw on that screen made them get me into a bed ASAP. I am talking where I was in a hospital bed within 5 min of walking into the ER which is rare.
In the hospital bed I saw my vitals on the screens around me. My heart race was all over the place. Anywhere from 140-210 BPM and literally changing up and down in seconds. My blood pressure was all over the place too from 140/90 to 180/100. They ran EKG and thankfully I was not having a heart attack. However the EKG did diagnose me with atrial fibrillation or Afib for short. They ran bloodwork on me. Doctor came back and right away asked me what I was taking. He told me that the cause of all this was an over active thyroid. They gave me some beta blockers which calmed my heart down and told me to get off T3 asap.
So do not say T3 is safe for the heart. The crazy thing was, I did not even run a dose that high at all. And afterwards I did research and it seemed like my condition as a side affect of T3 is rare, but it can happen.
Ok and your body must be exempt to science and creates fat over muscle when following a good diet and busting your ass in the gym..........that or you are lying.
Look dude, your body tells the whole story. You 100% did a dirty bulk. That or you ate a shit load of calories but you did not work out at all. You look close to 20% to me and you have hardly any muscle mass. If you try to run an 1800 calorie diet, even without clen that will make you lose the very little muscle you have. Seriously, just stick to a good diet. Not trying to make you feel like shit but you need to get your diet down first before any drugs.
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Sorry dude, but that is bullshit.
Done properly, the size of the deficit is almost completely irrelevant when it comes to muscle loss. I've had clients to severe diets and lose NO more muscle than someone on a more conservative approach.
As for the metabolism thing, hate to break it to you but its going down at least 10-15% no matter what dieting approach you use & no matter how much muscle you keep
OP:
Your not 15%, change your method of measuring body fat.
Clen works but I'm not sure how much help it will be for you at this stage since its really a short term drug. If you must go the drug route then choose either EC or albuterol for more long term progress.
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luckypaul
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Sorry dude, but that is bullshit.
Done properly, the size of the deficit is almost completely irrelevant when it comes to muscle loss. I've had clients to severe diets and lose NO more muscle than someone on a more conservative approach.
As for the metabolism thing, hate to break it to you but its going down at least 10-15% no matter what dieting approach you use & no matter how much muscle you keep
OP:
Your not 15%, change your method of measuring body fat.
Clen works but I'm not sure how much help it will be for you at this stage since its really a short term drug. If you must go the drug route then choose either EC or albuterol for more long term progress.
Sorry I do like your avatar but you are completly out of your mind. If you reduce calories more than 2-3 weeks, that is what will happen.I don't know where you are coming from, but it is not from from a position of knowledge.
I suggest you research this topic and get back to me.
At 1800 cals YOU WILL LOSE LBM PERIOD!!
IF YOU GO NO LONGER THAN A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE COMPETITION YOU ARE NOT CORRECT. THIS MEMBER WILL NOT BE WELL SERVED BY YOUR ADVICE!
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luckypaul
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Sorry dude, but that is bullshit.
Done properly, the size of the deficit is almost completely irrelevant when it comes to muscle loss. I've had clients to severe diets and lose NO more muscle than someone on a more conservative approach.
As for the metabolism thing, hate to break it to you but its going down at least 10-15% no matter what dieting approach you use & no matter how much muscle you keep
OP:
Your not 15%, change your method of measuring body fat.
Clen works but I'm not sure how much help it will be for you at this stage since its really a short term drug. If you must go the drug route then choose either EC or albuterol for more long term progress.
Where would you drawn the line? 1000 calories? I'm intersted to know. Dude.
and how much was your dose? I played little bit with T3 started at 12.5/day heart rate went up to 72 bpm normally 60-61 that was enough for me... I don't wanna any shit that messing with my heart rate.
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Dreaded Pirate Roberts
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Gill dont give anyone advise you dont have a clue. You need to focus on doing research seaking knowledge before you get someone hurt.
Ghost124
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yup 12.5 is exactly what I was running. my thyroid is extremely sensitive to T3. sucks I had to find out the hard way
Mrrippedzilla
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This might shock you, but as an evidence based natural bodybuilding coach I have forgotten more information about this topic than you will EVER learn
Here is a solid review on the subject showing that up to 1% BW loss per week is perfectly fine for muscle preservation while dieting for natural bodybuilders dieting to contest ready condition. The author happens to be someone I keep in regular contact with btw:
JISSN | Full text | Evidence-based recommendations for natural bodybuilding contest preparation: nutrition and supplementation
Now 2 things:
- the OP is NOT getting ready for a contest and doesn't aim to get completely peeled, therefore he can be more severe in his approach than the review recommends.
- the OP is also planning to use clen, an anti-catabolic hormone that will help preserve mass compared to natural bodybuilders highlighted in the review.
With that said, if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about you would know that 1800cals by itself means absolutely nothing since every individual has different meta-bolic rates & levels of TDEE.
For the OP, 1800cals would equal a 40% caloric deficit. Its high but not even CLOSE to how extreme your making it out to be since it should only lead to around 1.3% BW loss per week.
That means the OP is only SLIGHLTY above what is recommended by the evidence AND isn't planning on getting ready for a contest AND he is using clen AND he is not close to being classified as an "advanced bodybuilder".
There is NO evidence for muscle loss after 2-3 weeks of severe dieting for trained individuals. For more information go read Lyle McDonald's RFL book.
You also forget that LBM is comprised of water, glycogen AND muscle.
The first two go down when dieting and there is jackshit you can do about it without drugs. The final one will be preserved if you diet properly - maintain high protein intake, focus on tension (rather than damage/stress) in the weight room, minimize cardio, etc.
There is NO evidence for your bullshit remark about "slowing down your metabolism" by dieting too hard either.
Meta-bolic slowdown occurs because your dieting REGARDLESS of how slowly you go through the process. This entire process is known as adaptive thermogenesis and you can learn more about it here:
Adaptive thermogenesis in humans
The rest of the meta-bolic slowdown occurs primarily due to too much cardio and happens mostly to women. It has NOTHING to do with the size of the caloric deficit induced through diet.
Anecdotally, I've had clients diet down on very low calories and lose NO more muscle compared to others who have taken the slower approach and had the same start & end points with regards to bf%.
Now they might all happen to be superhuman OR, maybe, just maybe, I know what the fuck I'm doing when it comes to nutrition.
To conclude:
- I AM coming from a position of knowledge.
- YOU need to do more research on the subject
- Provided the OP maintains a high protein intake (1.25g/lb) and focuses on tension in the weight room (weight on the bar, not reps), muscle loss simply isn't a worry at his bf%.
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