going to do a 2 week cycle need advice

[PrinceDianabol]

The proof is in the pudding I only want the best for my new friend. No ego here zilla.

Hahah, couldn't help but laugh when I saw this. Not again!

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

How about start with your opening statement about setting doses and planning. Every thing should be planned. I'll put my knowledge of chemistry and the over half a million units sold of over 100 products I designed for more than than a handful of companies in the last 15 years. We wont mention that I pioneered the research chemical industry. Or my involvement in the release of Methyl 1 Test. I sold products to Arnold. The products you mentioned wouldnt be readily availible to the public if it wasnt for me. What do you know about fruit punch flavored Clen with a spray pump..... LoL. What do I know.

Has your work been mentioned in congressional hearings .....well . ... Huh? Im
Here to help educate so everyone stays safe. I retired years ago. As the saying goes Im not the original DPR he's retired living on an Island......lol.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Hahah, couldn't help but laugh when I saw this. Not again!

LOL seriously I warned him about the pudding argument and he STILL went with it - broscientists are so predictable.

I put him on ignore after his constant PMs trying to get me to slow my roll but I can see when others quote him

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

What kills me is when they have been here 3 weeks and all of a sudden they are an expert. Ive been at this too long. It never changes.

This is why you don't see me post as often as i used too.

 

[gill13]

Since we're going full HAM on the broscience in this thread...

This statement of yours makes no sense whatsoever.
At higher bf's your LESS likely to lose muscle when cutting, not more.
Also, the less muscle you have developed the LESS likely you are to lose it, not more.

The people at most risk of muscle loss when dieting are advanced lifters who are already relatively lean (sub 10%bf), not average joe's like the OP.

more bodyfat = longer cut. longer cut = greater potential to dem gainz. just the way i see it

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

more bodyfat = longer cut. longer cut = greater potential to dem gainz. just the way i see it

I agree with your point about longer cuts but don't forget that more bodyfat = less muscle loss
As long as you have plenty of fat available, the chances of you losing ANY muscle is zero provided you don't use a completely idiotic dieting approach.
Muscle loss risk increases gradually the leaner you get & is only really an issue once we dip below 12% or so. Before that point, it simply isn't an issue.

That's also the whole point behind why the OP is fine utilizing a higher caloric deficit - it will make the cut SHORTER since he will be losing fat QUICKER and get to his target SOONER.

 

[luckypaul]

You see what happens when you disrespect someone who knows what they're talking about?
Not "from a position of knowledge" and should "research the topic" hmmm...those comments look pretty damn stupid right now right?

You made a broscience statement, I called you out - something, as HW said, we fight hard against on this board because we want to make our advice evidence-based.
I provided strong evidence to back me up and proved pretty fucking conclusively and I know what I'm talking about.

Instead of being a man and accepting the fact that you were wrong about this you decided to listen to your ego and brush off all the evidence as "bs". Disappointing, but not surprising since that's what other bros have done before you...weird coincidence that they're no longer around.

Suffice to say that I'll let the readers go through this thread and make up their own minds with regards to who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't

No bro science Zilla. Bullshit walks and in two weeks we will see. You should train him since you wish to stake your reputation on this silly post. I got under your skin and Im not even trying.

Where are the bodies you have left in your wak3e. You speak of those who have tried.

2 weeks we will see

 

[luckypaul]

Hahah, couldn't help but laugh when I saw this. Not again!

Lets see who is laughing in 2 weeks

 

[luckypaul]

What kills me is when they have been here 3 weeks and all of a sudden they are an expert. Ive been at this too long. It never changes.

This is why you don't see me post as often as i used too.

If you be talking about me matie, I have been around as the boards. Heard alot about you. All good.

 

[luckypaul]

I agree with your point about longer cuts but don't forget that more bodyfat = less muscle loss
As long as you have plenty of fat available, the chances of you losing ANY muscle is zero provided you don't use a completely idiotic dieting approach.
Muscle loss risk increases gradually the leaner you get & is only really an issue once we dip below 12% or so. Before that point, it simply isn't an issue.

That's also the whole point behind why the OP is fine utilizing a higher caloric deficit - it will make the cut SHORTER since he will be losing fat QUICKER and get to his target SOONER.

He will also slow his metabolism down. My pms have been friendly and respectful. Post them if you like. Le3t everyone see how rude I have been. Not.

 

[luckypaul]

I agree with your point about longer cuts but don't forget that more bodyfat = less muscle loss
As long as you have plenty of fat available, the chances of you losing ANY muscle is zero provided you don't use a completely idiotic dieting approach.
Muscle loss risk increases gradually the leaner you get & is only really an issue once we dip below 12% or so. Before that point, it simply isn't an issue.

That's also the whole point behind why the OP is fine utilizing a higher caloric deficit - it will make the cut SHORTER since he will be losing fat QUICKER and get to his target SOONER.

Now you are making accusations that are untrue. I have the pm's i sent you. No one coud construe them as offensive . I think I have bruised your ego. Wait 2 weeks and you will be humbled. 2 weeks, abd we will see what you know.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Now you are making accusations that are untrue. I have the pm's i sent you. No one coud construe them as offensive . I think I have bruised your ego. Wait 2 weeks and you will be humbled. 2 weeks, abd we will see what you know.

Dude, just stop. What's the point of spamming the thread just to have pot-shots at a guy who's blocked you lol? You had a difference of opinion, get over it. OP can read the thread and take the advice he decides on. Personally, I'd go with the scientifically backed advice but that's just me.

 

[gill13]

I agree with your point about longer cuts but don't forget that more bodyfat = less muscle loss
As long as you have plenty of fat available, the chances of you losing ANY muscle is zero provided you don't use a completely idiotic dieting approach.
Muscle loss risk increases gradually the leaner you get & is only really an issue once we dip below 12% or so. Before that point, it simply isn't an issue.

That's also the whole point behind why the OP is fine utilizing a higher caloric deficit - it will make the cut SHORTER since he will be losing fat QUICKER and get to his target SOONER.

the body is very simple. you eat less; you lose weight. you eat more; you gain weight. very simple.

say there a guy who is NATTY and he's 25% bodyfat but is 300lbs @ 6' tall. he has all the fat in the world to burn, but are you trying to tell me that he wont lose muscle when dieting on a caloric deficit just because he has all that extra bodyfat? bullshit. muscles need FOOD.

when i was 20 years old i joined the army i was already a big dude. i think i was like 175-185 @ 14% bodyfat 5 foot 9. 14% bodyfat is not lean but not fat by any means. i had some bodyfat to lose. with all the training and running around and relatively poor nutrition, you think my muscle was spared by my fat? hell no. i was a stick within 2 months.

being fat has absolutely no benefit when it comes to sparing muscle that has got to be the dumbest thing i've heard in a while.

 

[luckypaul]

Dude, just stop. What's the point of spamming the thread just to have pot-shots at a guy who's blocked you lol? You had a difference of opinion, get over it. OP can read the thread and take the advice he decides on. Personally, I'd go with the scientifically backed advice but that's just me.

Yes I agree. It was my understanding that spamming is for monwtary gain which I think everyone here understands.

Im new and will be respectful. I am sorry Zilla has reacteted in this way. He was disrespectful to me from his first post on this thread, but for the sake of peace and harmony, I will not return to this post unless invited by zilla to show me how wrong I was.

Peace out,

Paul

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

the body is very simple. you eat less; you lose weight. you eat more; you gain weight. very simple.

say there a guy who is NATTY and he's 25% bodyfat but is 300lbs @ 6' tall. he has all the fat in the world to burn, but are you trying to tell me that he wont lose muscle when dieting on a caloric deficit just because he has all that extra bodyfat? bullshit. muscles need FOOD.

The body is simple but apparently not simple enough for you to actually understand how things work.

The body ALWAYS burns fat before muscle - this is a physiological fact.
Breaking down muscle to use for energy vs breaking down fat is a no contest since muscle turnover is a much more energy consuming process and your body prefers to be as efficient as possible when dieting.

What is so hard to understand about having PLENTY of fat available, and USING your muscles during training, will make it MUCH less likely that your body will NOT burn muscle hmmm?
In EVERY single piece of scientific evidence muscle loss has ALWAYS been great for those who are already relatively lean compared to obese individuals.
You know WHY?
Because they're fat stores are below their specific set points > specific meta-bolic adaptations geared towards fat preservation > hormonal downregulation leading to a super catabolic environment = muscle loss.
These changes don't occur at anywhere near the same level for obese individuals.

To put it simply, your losing the same weight but exactly WHAT your losing changes because your hormonal & meta-bolic environment adapts to detected fat mass changes.
This is how your body works, it is well documented physiological fact. If you argue against it your simple illustrating how clueless you really are.

when i was 20 years old i joined the army i was already a big dude. i think i was like 175-185 @ 14% bodyfat 5 foot 9. 14% bodyfat is not lean but not fat by any means. i had some bodyfat to lose. with all the training and running around and relatively poor nutrition, you think my muscle was spared by my fat? hell no. i was a stick within 2 months.

being fat has absolutely no benefit when it comes to sparing muscle that has got to be the dumbest thing i've heard in a while.

And now you are trolling.

Did you not read the part where I CLEARLY stated that muscle loss wasn't an issue provided the dietary approach wasn't completely IDIOTIC?

You admit that you were doing too much cardio and your nutrition sucked = idiotic dietary approach
Your n=1 example does literally nothing tt back up your already incorrect view on human physiology.


Now, go find me ONE piece of scientific evidence for your "being fat has no benefit to sparing muscle comment".
If you fail, which I know you will since I have read ALL the data up till this point, then hopefully you'll realise that your understanding of this topic is completely flawed

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

You know what, I'm tired of having to educate clueless people about how this stuff works for free.

I encourage both of you to post some scientific evidence for ANY of your bullshit points regarding fat loss and I'll happily dissect it and show you how wrong you both are.

Until then, there is nothing further to discuss since apparently I'm the only one who cares about PROVING their point and not simply relying on that der pudding.

 

[clman8585]

Maybe he doesnt realize you do this for a living?

 

[gill13]

You know what, I'm tired of having to educate clueless people about how this stuff works for free.

I encourage both of you to post some scientific evidence for ANY of your bullshit points regarding fat loss and I'll happily dissect it and show you how wrong you both are.

Until then, there is nothing further to discuss since apparently I'm the only one who cares about PROVING their point and not simply relying on that der pudding.

no i wasn't trolling when i was talking about my army days. but sure bro, you do this for a living, you're a professional dietitian and you are on top of the diet game. you know everything there is to know about dieting. good for you man! i applaud you

love,
Gill

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

no i wasn't trolling when i was talking about my army days. but sure bro, you do this for a living, you're a professional dietitian and you are on top of the diet game. you know everything there is to know about dieting. good for you man! i applaud you

love,
Gill

Do you have any scientific evidence for your points?

If so post it up to keep the discussion educational for those reading along.
Otherwise, stop stroking your own ego with these passive-aggressive responses and simply admit that your position has no fundamental base behind it whatsoever (in other words, your wrong).

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Maybe he doesnt realize you do this for a living?

Some people are so far behind in a race they actually think they're winning