Got Milk? Well I make my own now...

BigRonWannabee

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I have a few weeks left with this cycle. Looks like this...
1-15 test prop @ 700mg/wk
1-15 tren ace @ 75mg eod (wk 1-9) 100mg eod (wk 10-15)
11-15 Winstrol (winny) @ 75mg ed

Week 13 starts tomorrow. If I give my nips a little squeez I get some fluid to kind of appear. Few questions for those in the know...

Proper dosage of b6? (anyone found this to work for them?)
Isnt this Winstrol (winny) supposed to be suppressing prolactin levels?
Anyone thirsty? :p

Thanks
 
Got Milk?

more like Got Nolva?

any soreness with it? sounds like early gyno from E levels

bump for more help
 
B-6.......seeing as how you're already lactating, I'd take 900mg/day, split up into 3 - 300mg doses.

I had success with 600mg/day, but it was for early gyno symptoms only.
 
Bump on the B6

Good luck - my friends mooed at me for a while

I then threatened to get on lots of test so I would have the motivation to kick their asses. lol - post cycle therapy (pct) sucked
 
No soreness, its not from elevated E levels, more of a progestin/prolactin problem from the tren. 900/d, will do SC ill bump this back up in a week if it works.
 
by the time I had fluid it was a few weeks after experiencing some soreness. tried nolva but it was too late by then. years later surgery fixed it. got it from an A-drol only cycle, young and dumb!
 
moreprimopleasemom said:
by the time I had fluid it was a few weeks after experiencing some soreness. tried nolva but it was too late by then. years later surgery fixed it. got it from an A-drol only cycle, young and dumb!
how bad was your gyno....
 
Die$eL~Man said:
how bad was your gyno....

not too bad but enough to have it removed after carrying it for 8 years. didn't require general anesthesia, just local and was an outpatient procedure. $700 total, lucky compared to most others.
 
moreprimopleasemom said:
not too bad but enough to have it removed after carrying it for 8 years. didn't require general anesthesia, just local and was an outpatient procedure. $700 total, lucky compared to most others.
did it look bad / or did you get it removed cause it hurt ?
 
Die$eL~Man said:
did it look bad / or did you get it removed cause it hurt ?

only time it hurt /sore was when it first developed. it looked a bit puffy and only looked right was when I would come out of the shower when nipples had the shrunken look.
 
start letrozole asap it works faster than nolva ..( I sell both letro is by 1 get 1 free now ) it will get your estrogen under control . no estrogen = no projestron = no prolaclin ....b6 @ 900mg

Vutamin B6 fights prolactin


The following are excerpted from OB/GYN class notes:
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Suppression of Lactation:

When the mother chooses not to breast feed or the baby is lost, suppression of lactation may be required. Initially the breasts get engorged, however in the absence of suckling further milk production stops on its own. Firm support to the breasts is helpful in reducing the discomfort. Manual expression is not very helpful as it promotes further milk secretion. Estrogens in high doses can suppress lactation, however there are side effects and the risk of venous thrombosis, hence these are not recommended. Bromocryptine, a dopamine agonist, given 2.5 mg twice a day for 14 days can suppress lactation by producing a fall in prolactin levels. This therapy is expensive, has side effects and there may be rebound lactation once the drug is stopped. FDA no longer approves it. Pyridoxine – Vitamin B6, given 200 mg three times a day for 5-7 days is quite effective in suppressing lactation and the drug has no side effects.
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Got Wood? note : adding Bromo to your cycle only adds to the potential anabolic cascade, and potentially negative drug interactions. In medicine B6 is supposed to be as effective as Bromo. Plus vitamin B6 has few side effects.
Here are a few of many studies supporting the use of Vitamin B6 in reducing prolactin:
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J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Mar;42(3):603-6


Effect of pyridoxine on human hypophyseal trophic hormone release: a possible stimulation of hypothalamic dopaminergic pathway.

Delitala G, Masala A, Alagna S, Devilla L.

A single dose of pyridoxine (300 mg iv) produced significant rises in peak levels of immunoreactive growth hormone GH and significant decrease of plasma prolactin PRL in 8 hospitalized healthy subjects. Serum glucose, luteinizing hormone LH, follicle stimulating hormone FSH and thyrotropin TSH were not altered significantly. In addition, in 5 acromegalic patients who were studied with both L-dopa and pyridoxine, inhibition of GH secretion followed either agent in a similar pattern. These data suggest a hypothalamic dopaminergic effect of pyridoxine.

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N Engl J Med 1982 Aug 12;307(7):444-5

Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise.

Moretti C, Fabbri A, Gnessi L, Bonifacio V, Fraioli F, Isidori A.

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Boll Soc Ital Biol Sper 1984 Feb 28;60(2):273-8

[Influence of administration of pyridoxine on circadian rhythm of plasma ACTH, cortisol prolactin and somatotropin in normal subjects]

[Article in Italian]

Barletta C, Sellini M, Bartoli A, Bigi C, Buzzetti R, Giovannini C.

The influence of vitamin B6 in a dosage of 300 mg X 2 in 24 hrs, on circadian rhythm of plasmatic ACTH, cortisol, prolactin and somatotropin have been studied in 10 normal women. After vitamin B6 24 hrs pattern of ACTH and cortisol is unchanged; prolactin levels are slightly lower, in a statistically unsignificant proportion the night peak of growth hormone is higher in a statistically significant proportion (p. 0.05). The effect of vitamin B6 is likely to me mediated by dopaminergic receptors at hypothalamic level as previous studies by other Authors appear to prove
 
Is the let. good for post cycle therapy (pct) in place of Nolva? If so what dose??

moreprimo-
-surgery- Did they remove the nip and reattach? Any scars? Are you a gyno risk any more?
Nick
 
inssane said:


moreprimo-
-surgery- Did they remove the nip and reattach? Any scars? Are you a gyno risk any more?
Nick

-incision was made from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock position. nip was flapped over, gyno removed, then stitched back into place all while being given valium and a local anesthetic. didn't feel a thing.
-there's a thin scar where the incision was that's right at the border of the nip and skin. you have to look real close to see it.
-yes, I'm still prone to gyno but I'm not reckless and naive like a was 10 years ago. boards like this are priceless!
 
moreprimopleasemom said:
-incision was made from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock position. nip was flapped over, gyno removed, then stitched back into place all while being given valium and a local anesthetic. didn't feel a thing.
-there's a thin scar where the incision was that's right at the border of the nip and skin. you have to look real close to see it.
-yes, I'm still prone to gyno but I'm not reckless and naive like a was 10 years ago. boards like this are priceless!

Now that you've had the gyno surgery on that nipple can it never appear there again?
 
no the letro is not for post cycle therapy (pct) in place of nolva ( tamoxifen ). It can be run while You are doing your post cycle therapy (pct) but it will not get you producing Test again.
 
the Lion said:
start letrozole asap it works faster than nolva ..( I sell both letro is by 1 get 1 free now ) it will get your estrogen under control . no estrogen = no projestron = no prolaclin ....b6 @ 900mg

Actually, letro has a very long half-life and takes quite a while to build therapeutic plasma levels.....nolva's half-life is much shorter and is much more specific to the area in need (the mammary).
Also, in this case, controlling estrogen won't affect progesterone (it will, but it won't affect tren, which itself is a progestin). the fluid discharge is indicative of hyperprolactinemia, and although B6 does work (much better as a preventative than a treatment), a dopamine receptor agonist like cabergoline will be much better. There is no evidence of prolactin rebound after ceasing a dopamine agonist. Also, progesterone (and therefore progestins) cause an upregulation of estrogen receptors, and for this reason, nolva is still an effective indirect method of treatment. Using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to treat gyno effectively, means that you're suppressing estrogen far too low. it's much better to simply inhibit estrogenic activity at the problem area.
I'd use nolva at 60-80mg/day, and the B6 if you don't have fast access to cabergoline (dostinex) or bromo
 
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