hello guys I am experiencing something really terrible, any input?

[TriniJuice]

Bro, your just flaming for nothing, no one on this thread is a pro bodybuilder... 2nd of all, i run whatever the hell i want to run. 3rd of all YES, I HAVE NEVER RUN AN AI until 1weeka and a half ago when i received my liquid stane, and guess what, i am just not prone to gyno, i thought i did have gyno, but it was all water retention that got flushed out after i used liquid stane. 4th of all, i get open a thread here if i like, you cant tell me why i am here, if u dont want to help than dont because tbh, you never have. 5th of all, lets see who is full of sht when i achieve the physic you wished for in a year. 6th of all, a kid? seriously dude? all you do on steroidology is flame people, every 1560 of your posts are flames. 7th of all, you think my coach lives in my house to spoon feed me? This guy lives 10hours away from me by plane, unless you thought he was my father...

HO...LY..SHIT
matt has a brother

 

[mr_ectomorph]

Just because some body is a "Pro" bodybuilder. Or a top competing NPC bodybuilder it does not mean you should take their advice on every thing. I know with steroids it is easy to let some one talk you in to doing a very large dosage because in our minds we think that we can handle it and that it will equal out into size. But it is always better to slowly work your way up to these larger dosages over 4 or 5 cycles. Because if you use a gigantic amount your 2nd or 3rd time it can equal out to multiple side effects getting worse every day at a extremely fast pace. And you might not have the experience on how to deal with each side effect.

Also a lot of pro bodybuilders and gigantic muscular juice heads who look like they could be pro will advise people to take crazy amounts of steroids. But these guys are usually the last one's you want to listen to when it comes to actual safety. For the simple reason that they are the guys who pushed the boundaries the farthest when it comes to drugs to begin with so their view on what is a harsh cycle or a moderate cycle is going to be seriously flawed. A lot of these guys think they are way smarter than they are and people believe them because they are huge.

And if your spending as much money as you claim on steroids and all the related expenses I really recommend you get some sort of game plan because body building is not a easy sport to make it in. And you could have a good physique still and further your career in something that is guaranteed to pay off. Pretty much the only guaranteed thing the regiment you are on sounds like it is going to achieve to me is TRT, high blood pressure and cholesterol problems. I think your doing to much gear to soon. Sorry if I come off like a dick good luck with everything.

Mad-scientist, your point is actually really valid, i can't go full pin out trusting a pro because their decision can be flawed, but again, that was the kind of cycle i was looking to get

 

[Matt0071]

Mad-scientist, your point is actually really valid, i can't go full pin out trusting a pro because their decision can be flawed, but again, that was the kind of cycle i was looking to get

Like I said bro, u probs just got the canadian virus thats floating around, I still feel the same as what u described, the chest shit, stuffed up, all that shit
To be honest there not gonna do a panel to check your test and estrogen levels bro, most likely take some bloodmto check for other stuff man, went there today and was in and out in no time, they honestly could care less if u are on gear or not unless u metioned something to them, its canada not the states, its legal heremfor personal use, illegal to distribute, total dif laws canada and u.s
The docs csnt just call your family members and tell them anytholing anout your issues, its against the law after u turn 18 years of age
I know how he system works here, lol
Fuck if I want too I have in the past make up some phony ass story my kidneys hurt, snd thy do a full blood panel lol

 

[mr_ectomorph]

Like I said bro, u probs just got the canadian virus thats floating around, I still feel the same as what u described, the chest shit, stuffed up, all that shit
To be honest there not gonna do a panel to check your test and estrogen levels bro, most likely take some bloodmto check for other stuff man, went there today and was in and out in no time, they honestly could care less if u are on gear or not unless u metioned something to them, its canada not the states, its legal heremfor personal use, illegal to distribute, total dif laws canada and u.s
The docs csnt just call your family members and tell them anything anout your issues, its against the law after u turn 18 years of age

Wow, that's actually really helpful matt, i always thought that i'd be screwed if a hospital catches me with such elevated test lvls, and yes, it can be a viirus. I took my blood test 3 days ago, everything was in normal range

so it can be the virus or due to freezing my test e's ass off lol

 

[mr_ectomorph]

Like I said bro, u probs just got the canadian virus thats floating around, I still feel the same as what u described, the chest shit, stuffed up, all that shit
To be honest there not gonna do a panel to check your test and estrogen levels bro, most likely take some bloodmto check for other stuff man, went there today and was in and out in no time, they honestly could care less if u are on gear or not unless u metioned something to them, its canada not the states, its legal heremfor personal use, illegal to distribute, total dif laws canada and u.s
The docs csnt just call your family members and tell them anytholing anout your issues, its against the law after u turn 18 years of age
I know how he system works here, lol
Fuck if I want too I have in the past make up some phony ass story my kidneys hurt, snd thy do a full blood panel lol

What is exactly a blood mto? and when i walk in the hospital, how do i ask for a blood test? do i wait for a nurse to call me in after checking in?

 

[Matt0071]

Bro it gets shiped in -28 degree weather right, not saying store it in the fridge lol, learn from that, dont think its caused by u storing it in the fridge man, ya they cant disclose nothing, they have better things to worry anout then somebody that is on gear, unless u are like me and dont give 2 fucks walking in

 

[Matt0071]

Why canadian health care rocks man, haha

 

[gram of tren]

oh lord, i dont even know where to begin

 

[Matt0071]

Still dealing with this virus sucks ass man, hsrd to eat when u feel like complete shit
Got some antibiotics today, so hopefuly itll kick in soon

 

[Matt0071]

Just go in and say u got cold like symtoms bro, what u described

 

[mr_ectomorph]

Bro it gets shiped in -28 degree weather right, not saying store it in the fridge lol, learn from that, dont think its caused by u storing it in the fridge man, ya they cant disclose nothing, they have better things to worry anout then somebody that is on gear, unless u are like me and dont give 2 fucks walking in

Yea, i hide my gear in a box, check it out, it's called masterlock 5900. I thought no cold air could penetrate through it. Therefore i put it in the freezer compartment because at the time i didn't have a lock set up on my fridge until today. And no one can see the freezer compartment, therefore it was the ideal place to lace my box without it being noticed even though it is secured and locked.

I get my gear off my local dealer, he works for NewPort Pharmaceuticals. Supposedly, they are the best lab in North America, everything they produce is Pharma grade, and I have never had any trouble with their gear, as well as my 5 other friends who use the same source; aka same dealer. They probably have the purest and cleanest gear I have ever seen. I recently bought 4 vials of 500mg/ml Testosterone Cyopionate, they use a special oil to avoid the bad pip from over concentrated gear. The reason I got it that concentrated, is so I can deal with less injections even though injecting myself isn't a problem. These are the compounds with their concentrations that I bought off my dealer: 500mg/ml test c, 200mg/ml nandrolone phenylpropionate and 500mg/ml equipoise boldenone. The reason I bought such concentrated eq and test is because it would help me fit them all in 1 syringe and still have around .8cc of space instead of pinning twice in the same day. The doses I will be using are all EOD: 1cc npp/ 0.4cc eq/0.8cc test c.

I am still waiting to receive my GH since it comes hand in hand with high doses of test. I have my LR3 IGF-1 on hand as well as my GHRP-6. Still doing some research on insulin before I put my hands on this stuff, even though I am not expecting to ever be using it...

So I guess I can get free monitoring, I just walk in the hospital and tell them I have some kind of problem, and I will get full blood test results for free lol

 

[mr_ectomorph]

Just go in and say u got cold like symtoms bro, what u described

Ahhhh yess trueee !!! I could totally use that excuse

 

[gram of tren]

this kid is trolling.

"500mg/ml pharm grade gear" - yea ok.

"purest gear you've ever seen" - what do you base this statement on? lol

 

[TriniJuice]

lol i think matt met this guy in prison (or atleast the insane asylum)

 

[Mad- scientist]

When you get your HGH man you should use some and get your hgh levels tested and make sure these guys are not ripping you off. I am sorry to tell you this man but everyone thinks they have the lab that is the best. The pro bodybuilder might claim he uses the same stuff but he probably has special blends for himself. A lot of the guys in bodybuilding are just like drug attics and will do anything to make sure they do not have to come off of their drug of choice. So I would make sure to get my HGH levels and my testosterone levels checked while I was on the gear and hgh they had. Just to make sure they are not ripping you off

Also man you need to control your estrogen for a lot more than just gyno. Especially when you are using 1.4 grams of testosterone. High estrogen causes negative health effects on more than just your nipples. I will admit I have fucked up on cycles before and I will probably fuck up again in the future and do something wrong. Lol their really is no shame in admitting you have made a mistake. You really need to get on a AI. You should get your estrogen levels checked through a blood test after you start dosing your AI to see if you are in acceptable estrogen range. Also I would cut the testosterone dosage you are using in half and just focus on diet and training a lot more. The truth is you just do no even need that much testosterone at the level you are at right now.

Im not saying never run that much. Im just saying wait a few more cycles. It is only going to cause health problems at this point and maybe a little more water weight and muscle. But further on in your bodybuilding journey you will be able to make better use out of a higher amount of gear. Right now it is honestly just probably going to cause more side effects. It is best to use doses like that when you have so much muscle you need that high of a dosage just to maintain the muscle and cause it to grow still. It takes a shit load of muscle to need to run 1.4 grams of gear to grow. Bodybuilding is a marathon it is not a sprint.

 

[tbonexl]

Yea, u get flamed cuz u deserve it. I got some years on u and I'm in good health. Are u going to be able to say the same thing when your in your thirtys, kid?

 

[mr_ectomorph]

When you get your HGH man you should use some and get your hgh levels tested and make sure these guys are not ripping you off. I am sorry to tell you this man but everyone thinks they have the lab that is the best. The pro bodybuilder might claim he uses the same stuff but he probably has special blends for himself. A lot of the guys in bodybuilding are just like drug attics and will do anything to make sure they do not have to come off of their drug of choice. So I would make sure to get my HGH levels and my testosterone levels checked while I was on the gear and hgh they had. Just to make sure they are not ripping you off

Also man you need to control your estrogen for a lot more than just gyno. Especially when you are using 1.4 grams of testosterone. High estrogen causes negative health effects on more than just your nipples. I will admit I have fucked up on cycles before and I will probably fuck up again in the future and do something wrong. Lol their really is no shame in admitting you have made a mistake. You really need to get on a AI. You should get your estrogen levels checked through a blood test after you start dosing your AI to see if you are in acceptable estrogen range. Also I would cut the testosterone dosage you are using in half and just focus on diet and training a lot more. The truth is you just do no even need that much testosterone at the level you are at right now.

Im not saying never run that much. Im just saying wait a few more cycles. It is only going to cause health problems at this point and maybe a little more water weight and muscle. But further on in your bodybuilding journey you will be able to make better use out of a higher amount of gear. Right now it is honestly just probably going to cause more side effects. It is best to use doses like that when you have so much muscle you need that high of a dosage just to maintain the muscle and cause it to grow still. It takes a shit load of muscle to need to run 1.4 grams of gear to grow. Bodybuilding is a marathon it is not a sprint.

Yea, I completely respect and admire your response. You help me notice things in a positive manner, and what you have done there, helped me realize important things about my health. However, I yet do not have a source to get HGH from, and I feel very unsafe finding one or trusting private sources, because HGH is the most faked substance in bodybuilding. I would rather wait a bit, and hopefully one day I get to find something good.

On the other hand, I started using an AI the second i transitioned from my tren cycle to test cycle. I am currently using Liquid Stane from RUI-Products.com
I was recommended to use Arimidex at 0.5mg ED, but, IMO, and as you probably know, Liquid Stane is much better than adex when it comes to keeping E2 levels in range or in control. Some people need more E2 control, therefore Letrozol is their first choice. Now I am using 25mg of stane EOD, I have to get another blood test asap to see whether my E2 levels are in range or out of range. Also, I have my PA - Liquid Prami on hand to control prolactin levels, because on my next shot, I will be throwing in NPP as well as EQ. EQ is the least of my concern on the androgenic side effects, due to it being half as androgenic as testosterone, therefore EQ aromatises twice less than test (100:50 compared to test being 100:100)

And yes, I made a stupid mistake. I thought that since I handled 1g tren ace a week perfectly well, I would be able to handle 1.4g test a week, and I might have been wrong since I am still intrigued by last nights fever. The reason I thought that, is because Trenbolone is 5 times more androgenic and anabolic than testosterone (100:100 compared to 500:500 for tren). And now, I am dealing with a long estered test, so whatever uncomfortable feelings I have right now due to the high levels of testosterone, I will be experiencing them for at least 10-12 days. So whether I drop it now or not, I am expecting my body to get used to the dosage 1-3weeks from now. Ergo, I will try to get myself monitored once a week until everything is under control.

And yea, I might drop my test dose and taper up slowly. However, do you think 25mg stane EOD is enough to keep my E2 levels in control? I know this is a hard question to answer since everyone is different, but I am just wondering, because my test dose is really high and I do not want to grow a pair of boobs.
And, I will be running NPP @ 200mg EOD a well, do you think tapering my way up to 0.5mg ED will be enough to keep my prolactin levels in control?

And just a quick question, does high E2 levels or completely suppressed E2 levels cause libido issues?

And thank you again mad-scientist for coping with me, you help is really appreciated

 

[STAUNCHED427]

OP in your last post I saw the words, 1G tren and 1.4G test and insatantly decided to stop reading.

1) Your're an idiot.

2) Cut all the juice, do a PCT.

3) Spend your money on food and learn how to diet properly.

4) After all of the above, then come back and talk/inquire about juice.

 

[mr_ectomorph]

Yea, u get flamed cuz u deserve it. I got some years on u and I'm in good health. Are u going to be able to say the same thing when your in your thirtys, kid?

That is a hard question to answer, and it depends how deep my pockets are right now. I started cycling in September, so I am still getting things organized. Healthy or not, I am dealing with a lot of stress right now; School, parents, money, and restless nights. And yes, the stress is wearing me out, but this is what makes me stronger, coping with my obstacles. And tbh, no one is perfect, the most I could tell you is that me compared to Arnold, I am probably 100x less reckless than he was and guess what, the guy is 66 years old right now. Yes, I understand he had a goal and he achieved it, and that his heath was well worth the risk he had taken. But that does not mean that I cannot achieve what I am aiming for. All you are trying to do, is to put me down, and that isn't going to happen. I have probably acquired more knowledge than you in a matter of 5months compared to you in those years of experience you have over me. I know what it feels like to put my body under high amounts of stress, and I know how to cope with it. And last night, was the least of my worries, I was just intrigued because I had no idea why it happened, and many factors could have played an important role. Factors such as me using high doses of test, or me putting my gear in my fridge, or maybe the weather in Canada, a virus, a bad reaction with my immune system, so on and so forth.

And no, no one deserves to get flamed. Everyone deserves to be treated respectfully. You lashing at me is a wrong thing to do on an educational forum. Please try to do that in real life with your patients if you were to be a doctor. Let's see where that would lead you. Mad-scientist, took his time to explain me things in details by giving me advice and educational information compared to you, which all you did is flame me. You flame me on every post I do, and I am starting to get annoyed of your posts on my threads. If you do not want to help me, and just give me negative feedback, I sincerely do not need that... If you were to need help, and I knew how to help you, I would be more than happy to do so. However, you obviously wouldn't take any of my advice after reading most of your flames on me.

 

[mr_ectomorph]

OP in your last post I saw the words, 1G tren and 1.4G test and insatantly decided to stop reading.

1) Your're an idiot.

2) Cut all the juice, do a PCT.

3) Spend your money on food and learn how to diet properly.

4) After all of the above, then come back and talk/inquire about juice.

This is exactly what I am talking about. People see something. AND GUESS WHAT? THE SOLUTION IS PCT! WOOHOOO it solved all the problems in the world. I honestly do not even know how to deal with guys like you.