Help Needed: 'Better Than Steroids'... a good book?

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RandyFromJapan

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Hey guys, I really love this forum so PLEASE forgive me if I'm breaking any rules with my question!

I've heard that this is a really amazing book on nutrient timing. I know almost nothing about nutrient timing so I'm wanting to buy this book.

I know the topic of the book is incorrect as AAS are much more powerful than any workout or diet, but I think the author did this just to catch a reader's attention.

Amazon.com book link: Robot Check

Thanks for any advice!
 
Steroids are useless wo a good diet and and killer work outs lot s of rest and SEX.

Nutrient timing IS important for sure..carb s simple and complex for glycogen storage ( with vitamins and electro s etc) fat s for energy and yes...fat burning is nigh impossible w o some intake..protein and it s amino s for muscle repair.

I encourage you to read everything..check his references and use what u learn...and tell us please.

I cheat...I ask 3j...he KNOWS.

tHAT GUY ONTHE COVER HAS DEFINATELY GOT HIS DIET TRAINING AND steroids RIGHT...FER SURE. U can t read to much...TV is crap.
 
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I appreciate the replies!

I'm reading your link now Megatron.

I remember hearing that this book, 'Better Than Steroids', was amazing a few years ago. If anyone else has heard of this book I'd love to hear feedback!
 
The Title s like an Enquirer headline...people see Better than steroids and want in....

NOTHING S BETTER THAN STEROIDS.

Period
 
Teutonic said:
Steroids are useless wo a good diet and and killer work outs lot s of rest and SEX.

Nutrient timing IS important for sure..carb s simple and complex for glycogen storage ( with vitamins and electro s etc) fat s for energy and yes...fat burning is nigh impossible w o some intake..protein and it s amino s for muscle repair.

I encourage you to read everything..check his references and use what u learn...and tell us please.

I cheat...I ask 3j...he KNOWS.

tHAT GUY ONTHE COVER HAS DEFINATELY GOT HIS DIET TRAINING AND steroids RIGHT...FER SURE. U can t read to much...TV is crap.
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lol.. thanks for the kind words T...

but there are always new studies and research that can be looked at to better optimize your nutrition.. so reading is always good
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
A couple of meta-analysis reviews for you to dig into illustrating just how overrated nutrient timing is:

Nutrient timing revisited: is there a post-exercise anabolic window? - PubMed - NCBI

The effect of protein timing on muscle strength and hypertrophy: a meta-analysis. - PubMed - NCBI

I also happen to be contact with all of the authors of those 2 papers so if your interested in anything more specific I'm sure we can dig up something :)
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Can you put me in contact with the girl in your Avi?
 
I too generally agree that nutrient timing is overrated.

But, I'd also like to add a personal experience of mine under my current circumstances. I'm keeping carbs pretty low, Net carbs less than 30 a day, and aim for under 20 during the week as best I can.

I've found that after a long day at work, then, leading into a workout, (even consistently eating my normal meals at work) if I throw in a well balanced meal of protein:fats before, I perform better. I feel peaked if you will, strong, full of energy, and can complete my full body regimen with greater intensity than I am usually capable of.

I suppose this could be considered a form of nutrient timing.. or meal timing.. but it's really meant more as food for thought. Yes, we can eat balanced throughout the day, but if I opt into a post workout meal of this fashion instead.. I don't perform as well.

I'm cutting as well under this regimen.. so timing a meal here instead of there is important for energy I think. If I do two meals of this size, I go over my daily caloric goal to be in a deficit.

If I split them.. well, I haven't tried it yet, but i eat before bed again anyway.. so that's kind of PWO nutrition in itself.

Can be confusing. But this is my experience with it.
 
I've always said that prewo nullifies the importance of postwo nutrition and, at the same time, postwo becomes more important in the absence of prewo.
This is also fully supported by the first meta- analysis I cited in the previous post.
Basically, prewo > postwo in most circumstances taking into account the individual's preferences.

Hmm, maybe I need to write an article about the topic in the future since it does seen to be confusing for most people. Plus I don't want to overload the OP with too much info :)
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
I've always said that prewo nullifies the importance of postwo nutrition and, at the same time, postwo becomes more important in the absence of prewo.
This is also fully supported by the first meta- analysis I cited in the previous post.
Basically, prewo > postwo in most circumstances taking into account the individual's preferences.

Hmm, maybe I need to write an article about the topic in the future since it does seen to be confusing for most people. Plus I don't want to overload the OP with too much info :)
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Would be nice. I've always been in the school of thought that what I eat when I eat it in relation to workout timing matters. Plus when I do like Hypnotic described I get better results in the gym as well.
 
soldier74 said:
Would be nice. I've always been in the school of thought that what I eat when I eat it in relation to workout timing matters. Plus when I do like Hypnotic described I get better results in the gym as well.
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I think it comes down to prioritizing certain things over another. Not that nutrient timing has to necessarily be ignored.. it's just not the MOST important thing to focus on.

Ripped did something like This > That in a previous thread.. well it's sort of like that.

Calories in vs. Calories Out (TDEE +- Calories needed to achieve goal) > Meal Frequency (5-6 meals per day) > Macronutrient Balancing (50gP, 75gC, 20gF per meal) > Meal Timing (my previous post) > Nutrient Specific Timing (simple sugars PWO) > Perfection? :D
 
My order could be wayyy the fuck off. I'll let him dissect that if he'd like. But I think I did okay :-)
 
So the priority is calories in/calories out in relation to goal. Eat small meals spaced throughout the day. = Laymens terms::-) Yes.
 
Hypnotix said:
I think it comes down to prioritizing certain things over another. Not that nutrient timing has to necessarily be ignored.. it's just not the MOST important thing to focus on.

Ripped did something like This > That in a previous thread.. well it's sort of like that.

Calories in vs. Calories Out (TDEE +- Calories needed to achieve goal) > Meal Frequency (5-6 meals per day) > Macronutrient Balancing (50gP, 75gC, 20gF per meal) > Meal Timing (my previous post) > Nutrient Specific Timing (simple sugars PWO) > Perfection? :D
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Make no mistake, I'm not saying nutrient timing doesn't matter at all - just that its vastly overrated.

Hmm...if your talking about the casein thread then my hierarchy only applied to protein and doesn't necessarily transfer to the others (carb timing is based mostly on personal preference, fat timing doesn't exist at all, etc).
But yes, for protein this is my hierarchy of importance:

Daily intake > protein distribution > protein quality > specific protein timing (before bed, around workouts, etc)
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
A couple of meta-analysis reviews for you to dig into illustrating just how overrated nutrient timing is:

Nutrient timing revisited: is there a post-exercise anabolic window? - PubMed - NCBI

The effect of protein timing on muscle strength and hypertrophy: a meta-analysis. - PubMed - NCBI

I also happen to be contact with all of the authors of those 2 papers so if your interested in anything more specific I'm sure we can dig up something :)
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Sweet, thanks for sharing :)
 
diet and training IS more important than aas, BUT i do feel nutrient timing is a bit over rated.

just have your 4-6 high protein meals a day, and some carbs and protein post workout ( i like having a protein drink with carbs/sugar/juice), i avoid too much carbs right before bed but other than that i dont adjust much.
 
A lot of great stuff here...

This was the first time I've seen Visions post (in Megatron28 link).

Also the links by Mrrippedzilla are great!

I'm not working for the stage (unless you call the beach a stage)... but I do notice much greater gains
when I'm strict with my diet... night and day!
 
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