HGH Serum Testing may be more flawed than thought

[heavyiron]

I injected 10 iu US pharmacy Tev-Tropin GH IM with a serum result of 19.7 ng/mL

Apparently I'm a low responder to GH administration or my lab handles the blood samples in such a way that the results come back lower. It's now my opinion that the latest Z GH from Feb and March are close to being properly dosed.

I injected 10 iu US pharmacy GH with a serum result of 19.7 ng/mL

In Feb the Z GH was a 17.9 ng/mL

In March the Z GH was 15.5 ng/mL

I weigh 250lbs and I'm over 6 feet tall. GH is commonly prescribed based on weight and body surface area therefore a larger individual may have a different reading from a smaller man. This would explain why OSL had such a high response and I did not with the exact same Feb batch.

This is a major blow to the serum GH testing. Comparisons should be made in the same individual first before we compare others results to our own.

I strongly advise members to get serum tested with known US pharmacy GH before assuming dosing of UGL HGH.

I will post my Tev-Tropin lab results later.

 

[Mt-momma]

Thank you for this valuble information, Heavy. You are awesome to have so much bloodwork done , be a human pin cushion, and share with everyone so openly.

 

[Zeek]

That is the lowest result I have ever seen for pharm grade HGH posted anywhere.

I wonder if it is a tolerance issue, how lojng have you been on HGH steady? do you cycle it or use ed?

interesting

Thx for sharing heavy!

It's why I love IGF-1 testing for GH better but since the masses went with serum I went along also.

Maybe time to get back to IGF-1 testing where we know that 1iu good gh will spike levels by 100 pts!

 

[heavyiron]

That is the lowest result I have ever seen for pharm grade HGH posted anywhere.

I wonder if it is a tolerance issue, how lojng have you been on HGH steady? do you cycle it or use ed?

interesting

Thx for sharing heavy!

It's why I love IGF-1 testing for GH better but since the masses went with serum I went along also.

Maybe time to get back to IGF-1 testing where we know that 1iu good gh will spike levels by 100 pts!

A vet at Pro Muscle just posted a low result a few minutes ago. Looks like he has had consistently low numbers just like me.

I have been on GH about 2 1/2 months 6 days per week.

 

[Zeek]

A vet at Pro Muscle just posted a low result a few minutes ago. Looks like he has had consistently low numbers just like me.

I have been on GH about 2 1/2 months 6 days per week.

yeah that is the same guy who had a really low result on rips recently and now between your test and his there is pattern emerging where it does appear that a percentage of guys does indeed to test lower to the GH serum and most likely to IGF also.

At only 2.5 months on with 1 day off per week your tolerance should not be raised so this is indeed very interesting!!

 

[Zeek]

I really want to express how much I appreciate z and his team bringing all of this to light to further increase his own gh ptency. Most sources don't give a crap and just sell whatever! A source who cares about the GH he sells is friend of mine

I would love to see one more test done by a regular responder on the z gh though!

although your test comparison does go a long way in confirming the GH he curently has is indeed quality.

 

[amore169]

Very good read! Thanks for sharing!

 

[heavyiron]

I really want to express how much I appreciate z and his team bringing all of this to light to further increase his own gh ptency. Most sources don't give a crap and just sell whatever! A source who cares about the GH he sells is friend of mine

I would love to see one more test done by a regular responder on the z gh though!

although your test comparison does go a long way in confirming the GH he curently has is indeed quality.

How have you been responding?

 

[Zeek]

I'm a normal responder and always have been but I cycle hgh to keep things this way. Years ago when I ran HGH straight for 2 years with no break I watched my IGF numbers steadily decline so I knew there was something to the tolerance issue we see some studies on.

I'm currently off HGH and was waiting for labs to decide which way to go. I ran 3 kits of ankebio which is pharm grade chinese and serum was 18 from 5iu. then shit hit the fan with fakes and such and I decided to wait a bit

In light of things now heavy it seems that there is more to this testing that initially thought and I credit you for bringing it to the spot light!

 

[heavyiron]

I'm a normal responder and always have been but I cycle hgh to keep things this way. Years ago when I ran HGH straight for 2 years with no break I watched my IGF numbers steadily decline so I knew there was something to the tolerance issue we see some studies on.

I'm currently off HGH and was waiting for labs to decide which way to go. I ran 3 kits of ankebio which is pharm grade chinese and serum was 18 from 5iu. then shit hit the fan with fakes and such and I decided to wait a bit

In light of things now heavy it seems that there is more to this testing that initially thought and I credit you for bringing it to the spot light!

Yup, the journey to understand PED's continues. I have had a very interesting journey the last few months exploring HGH. Time for MASS Spec to put this all to rest.

 

[Zeek]

here is the one problem with source testing done by a source on his own products, the masses won't buy into the results if they are positive. I would actually trust those results enough from z to warrant buying a kit to try and test for myself but in this game heavy with all the shills and haters out there it won't do a damn bit of good.

You need third party testing that can be verified if you chose to go the mass spec route as was done on another board with a few different brands of HGH. the cost was in the thousands per test.

Or better yet run a contest and have a few guys run their own tests on the GH and those results will be more accepted. Just my .02 cents there bro

 

[heavyiron]

here is the one problem with source testing done by a source on his own products, the masses won't buy into the results if they are positive. I would actually trust those results enough from z to warrant buying a kit to try and test for myself but in this game heavy with all the shills and haters out there it won't do a damn bit of good.

You need third party testing that can be verified if you chose to go the mass spec route as was done on another board with a few different brands of HGH. the cost was in the thousands per test.

Or better yet run a contest and have a few guys run their own tests on the GH and those results will be more accepted. Just my .02 cents there bro

Thankfully my reputation speaks for itself.

I like the contest idea though. I'll see what Z thinks brother.

 

[Zeek]

You know how these shills and source bashers are Heavy! they would be all over that source testing done by a source not being valid and it would just fuel their fire. I say don't give the enemy ammo and put something in their face that they can't argue with.

The guys that know you will trust what you say but the majority will not. 3rd party testing for the win!

 

[desibaba]

A vet at Pro Muscle just posted a low result a few minutes ago. Looks like he has had consistently low numbers just like me.

I have been on GH about 2 1/2 months 6 days per week.

You must be talking about Queefer. He is in contest prep mode. Not sure if that affects your GH level when you are dieting and depleted or not.

 

[b_saan]

I'm a normal responder and always have been but I cycle hgh to keep things this way. Years ago when I ran HGH straight for 2 years with no break I watched my IGF numbers steadily decline so I knew there was something to the tolerance issue we see some studies on.

Were you on any T4 at the time though because from what I've seen in research articles low thyroid function (which happens after extended exogenous GH administration) can adversely affect IGF levels.

 

[Zeek]

No brother, I don't touch t-3 or t-4 My low dosage protocol does not warrant it.

that is who he is talking about Des, interesting enough we now have two guys which seem to be tough responders to HGH. One guy we can call a fluke but two guys merits further looking into.

 

[crazyfmike]

I have ordered one vial of USA HGH from my TRT. I'll test it and post my Labs. Please send me a kit of Z's and I'll run blood work and post that too.

PM me.

Then we'll know first hand. I'll eat every word I based on "someone else" posting their test results.

 

[Zeek]

And you should have rips in hand any day now too Mike, will be interesting to see your results with the pharm gh as the control group!

 

[DaHurt]

And you should have rips in hand any day now too Mike, will be interesting to see your results with the pharm gh as the control group!

^This

 

[crazyfmike]

And you should have rips in hand any day now too Mike, will be interesting to see your results with the pharm gh as the control group!

I know have my own key to the blood collection site.