Hi there! - New and curious -

[longjon]

Hello there guys!
I have been researching the subject of hormonal aid for some time now. I'm a curious but careful type, with experiences in other grey areas but I have never played with my body to that extent - mostly with my brain and mind and after years and years of research, practice and trials I haven't got any permanent damage from my doings . On the contrary, I think I have benefited from them and I have (usually) played safe.

Recently I have experienced that my gym sessions are much less productive than they used to be and I have thought that hormones might be helpful but knowing most of the dangers already, I have noticed that one specific area is rarely ever mentioned...
How to quit? I have been reading about people staying on juice for years and I think it's fine but I have also read some testimonies of people who just can't quit the juice. I have no intent to bulk over 100kg but I want to stay lean and agile. I was wondering if it makes sense to reach a certain physique and come off the juice, once you're satisfied? Is it possible to maintain this physique without the constant need to supply the juice to the muscles? Unfortunately Google never helped me find the answers to these questions so I hope I can find them in this community!

Thanks in advance!

 

[Rastas]

The inability to "quit the juice" is a psychological aspect of using AAS. Now, those that stay on for years without quitting are on TRT, or they're abusing the drug. They choose to stay on moderate doses with the introduction of exogenous testosterone to their system as opposed to their body producing it, endogenously. Some people have a choice, others don't - this is physiological. You will have met people in life that don't even train seriously, or at all, who are on TRT, and you wouldn't even know it.

Is it possible to achieve your desired physique without the use of AAS? Maybe. Maybe not. Once you've achieved your desired physique, will it stay without the need for more AAS? Maybe. Maybe not. There are too many variables to consider i.e. diet, training, sleep, your body's ability to return to homeostasis (not just on a hormonal level post-cycle) and about one thousand other external influencing factors.

Nobody can answer your questions clean-cut. You need to train, learn and experiment for your self. Listen to the advice people give you on here, but, my first word of advice to you is do not treat it as gospel. The people at the other end, like you, are only human. Listen to their experiences and take what you value from it and apply as you see fit.

 

[3J]

what are your current stats?

what gear have you used before?

 

[longjon]

Thanks for the reply, Rastas.

what are your current stats?

what gear have you used before?

3J, not gear, just some mind-altering substances. I'm in the mesomorph phase. Stats? I never measure but I went from 58kg to 75kg in a few years, but I could question my endogenous testosterone levels since I'm not an alpha and barely have any facial hair being close 30 years old.

If I ever get on the gear, I think it won't happen soon but the perspective is tempting.

 

[3J]

stats

age
weight
height
goals

 

[longjon]

28
165lbs / 75kg
178cm /5'10''
~15% (visually)

Lean mass would be perfect. I also learned to swim this summer so I would like to develop in this area so I don't mind a bit extra bf as it helps in buoyancy ;].
What are your ideas 3J?

 

[3J]

if you are going to run a cycle just run test alone..
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go to the stickys in the anabolic section.. there are a few on first cycles

 

[juced_porkchop]

welcome

 

[Mr P]

Welcome

 

[longjon]

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I'll be glad to hear some advice - whether to cut or still bulk (I can pinch about an inch of fat below my bellybutton) or whether I should wait or even forget about steroids.

 

[Captain America]

No offense man, but you don't look like you train much. You have a lot more potential naturally instead of hopping on the sauce. It wouldn't hurt to get bloods to see what you are working with, but I think you stand to gain a lot more from diet and a regular program.

 

[longjon]

None taken, you're making sense.

 

[juced_porkchop]

No offense man, but you don't look like you train much. You have a lot more potential naturally instead of hopping on the sauce. It wouldn't hurt to get bloods to see what you are working with, but I think you stand to gain a lot more from diet and a regular program.

good advice.
I would add in the following supps:
creatine
taurine
protein power/shakes
multi vitamin/mineral
healthy fats ( flax seed oil, olive oil ect.)

 

[3J]

you definitely need to get your diet checked... i have a free diet advice thread in the diet section..

or hit me up if youre interested in becoming a client 3jdiet@gmail.com

3jsdiet.com

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...e-lose-fat-let-3j-help-you-2.html#post3554436

 

[longjon]

good advice.
I would add in the following supps:
creatine
taurine
protein power/shakes
multi vitamin/mineral
healthy fats ( flax seed oil, olive oil ect.)

Tried creatine once with no effects whatsoever but I may give it another shot (with preloading etc.)
Taurine - never really had that
Nitro/l-arginine - very positive results
Protein - I take it regularly
Multivitamins & minerals as well
Healthy fats - fortunately for me I'm a fish fanatic

I know some basics and I have had results of which I'm quite satisfied but now it feels like either something is wrong or I am doing something wrong...
I will do blood tests, revise my diet and my program. I may talk to you later 3J.

I find it a bit funny that the most educated and least judgemental advice can be found among people who (may or might have ) use things that are illegal. Once again it proves my point that prohibition hinders education and self-awareness.

I started reading about hormones (insulin got me very interested ) and others and I'm quite shocked about how complicated and intertwined the endocrine system is. So far I've been only studying the brain but the head won't work without the rest of the body and vice versa... I should have become an MD.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Tried creatine once with no effects whatsoever but I may give it another shot (with preloading etc.)
Taurine - never really had that
Nitro/l-arginine - very positive results
Protein - I take it regularly
Multivitamins & minerals as well
Healthy fats - fortunately for me I'm a fish fanatic

I know some basics and I have had results of which I'm quite satisfied but now it feels like either something is wrong or I am doing something wrong...
I will do blood tests, revise my diet and my program. I may talk to you later 3J.

I find it a bit funny that the most educated and least judgemental advice can be found among people who (may or might have ) use things that are illegal. Once again it proves my point that prohibition hinders education and self-awareness.

I started reading about hormones (insulin got me very interested ) and others and I'm quite shocked about how complicated and intertwined the endocrine system is. So far I've been only studying the brain but the head won't work without the rest of the body and vice versa... I should have become an MD.

I highly rec 3J so have a talk with him.