mine are 18 1/2inches, cold.....then again, I only have used small amounts of dbol (30mg ed) on the two cycles I have done with dbol. I haven't used dbol, Sustanon (sust), etc. on a cycle in over a year. All I have been using is anavar. I get muscle gain (sizable, but not spectacular), with great strengths gains and fantastic definition and vascularity. I've found that anavar is also a great appetite suppressant.