How do we feel about short cycles?

[rocko419]

So I read that article about doing short cycles And I like it. Just wondering how others felt about it. I'm trying to see if there is a reason why it might not be A good thing. I'm thinking especially now that i'm 40 and can certainly use the less sides. Mainly cholesterol.
Not to mention some other good reasons why it sounds like A good way
to go about cycling through out the year...(Less Time on but less time off) That sounds like it makes sense right..Less time off less time to keep you shut down less time to over all recover. And most of all less time till you can get back on. 1 month on 1 month off all year round sounds all right to me. So come on guys this article has been around for a long time and it’s really interesting and I think we can really talk on this. I’m sure were going to have all different opinions on it..So lets hear it..Who likes it and who doesen't? And why...

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...29773-short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides.html



GotEmAll I have seen this artical around but never really took the time to read it. So today I read it and i liked it so thanks for puting it up...

 

[GotEmAll]

Yeah I read it and found it to be very interesting, and what he writes makes alot of sense in it.

One thing I wonder though, he says that when on short cycles one should use some fast acting gear, somthing that hits you quick, he suggests d-bol, test prop,tren,anadrol.

I wonder if it would work with a slower acting grear such as Test E, rather then doing what people seem to suggest like a 12 week cycle of E, just do a 6week cycle. Same concept your still on for less time.

 

[mark444]

Yeah I read it and found it to be very interesting, and what he writes makes alot of sense in it.

One thing I wonder though, he says that when on short cycles one should use some fast acting gear, somthing that hits you quick, he suggests d-bol, test prop,tren,anadrol.

I wonder if it would work with a slower acting grear such as Test E, rather then doing what people seem to suggest like a 12 week cycle of E, just do a 6week cycle. Same concept your still on for less time.

it takes 4 weeks to get stable blood concentrations of the hormone with esters such as E and C. therefore no IMO that would not be a good idea.

 

[mark444]

And most of all less time till you can get back on. 1 month on 1 month off all year round sounds all right to me.

This doesn't seem like a good idea to me. lets say you ran test prop and tren ace for 4 weeks. you would still be shut down pretty hard, and should do proper post cycle therapy (pct) which will take 3 weeks. IMO that seems more dangerous than 12 weeks on 12 weeks off. I think 8 weeks with fast acting esters is a better idea. that way you come completely off gear and SERMS for at least 5 weeks.

also, i remember reading a thread recently where Needsize said he has always ignored "time on time off" rule and simply allowed fo 8 weeks between cycles even if they were longer (12-14 wks). he said that allows for enought time to recover and still grow from your next cycle. correct me if im wrong needsize.

 

[FerrariF50]

1 amp of sust ed for 4-8 weeks is on my to do list

 

[rocko419]

This doesn't seem like a good idea to me. lets say you ran test prop and tren ace for 4 weeks. you would still be shut down pretty hard, and should do proper post cycle therapy (pct) which will take 3 weeks. IMO that seems more dangerous than 12 weeks on 12 weeks off. I think 8 weeks with fast acting esters is a better idea. that way you come completely off gear and SERMS for at least 5 weeks.

also, i remember reading a thread recently where Needsize said he has always ignored "time on time off" rule and simply allowed fo 8 weeks between cycles even if they were longer (12-14 wks). he said that allows for enought time to recover and still grow from your next cycle. correct me if im wrong needsize.

Interesting...You make sence..Looking back at the artical his off time was 2 or 3 weeks more then his on time. Most likely for that reason you pointed out..
So I guess the cycle would run 4 weeks on 6 weeks off.

 

[trizon]

I have also have been reading up on short 4 week cycles!. I am very interested to give them a try. I have noticed the last few posts of this thread were regarding post cycle therapy (pct) time and off time.

Lets say I went with a 4 week cycle of 750mg/week TEST PROP
and 50mg/day DBOL

Would running nolva for three weeks at 40mg/20mg/20mg/A DAY
be enough? or could you run it for shorter?
Then on top of this another 3 week off both serms and gear?

So basically my method is 4 weeks on 6 off
the 6 off include 3 on serms and 3 off both gear and serms

opinions please.
maybe a 6week on and 6week off would be ok as well with the same off plan!

 

[GotEmAll]

The more time you can have completely off of everything can only help you, thats the point of the short cylce, to have your body under less stress.
After reading that article about using high dosege of nolva, I personally wouldnt anymore

 

[FuckOprah]

hasnt ANYONE on these boards tried a short cycle to tell us how it went, so we can stop wondering how it'd go.

 

[gogetter]

my last cycle was a mere 6 weeks of 550 prop a week and 40 mg Anavar (var) a day. i had decent results and recovery was very easy. im waiting 8 weeks including a 28 day post cycle therapy (pct) then im gonna jump back on it. i think that if one chooses to run a short cycle. its better to use higher doses

 

[FuckOprah]

my last cycle was a mere 6 weeks of 550 prop a week and 40 mg Anavar (var) a day. i had decent results and recovery was very easy. im waiting 8 weeks including a 28 day post cycle therapy (pct) then im gonna jump back on it. i think that if one chooses to run a short cycle. its better to use higher doses

well i did think about having a 4week prop + Anavar (var) cycle sometime soon

 

[gogetter]

i would go 6

unless ur doin the 4 on 6 off deal for a couple of months straight. and if so i would run pretty high numbers

 

[cannon]

I have read most of the short ester/short cycle write ups here and on other sites.
I think the consensus is the people who promote this cycle like it for a more slow and steady approach.
May not be the way to go for the guy who wants to put a ton of size on quick but more for steady gains each cycle.

I know my upcoming cycle will be a 6-8 weeker, short ester..


t-bol
prop
npp

 

[needsize]

I tried it a few times, with everything from suspension, anadrol, dbol, tren, etc...and didnt like it. Part of why I like long cycles is even when you stop growing, your body is basically getting used to the new size, almost creating a new "set point" for your body, so when you do come off its much easier to maintain. I personally gained very little on the short cycle approach, but on top of that felt it was way harder to maintain

 

[JayC]

I tried it a few times, with everything from suspension, anadrol, dbol, tren, etc...and didnt like it. Part of why I like long cycles is even when you stop growing, your body is basically getting used to the new size, almost creating a new "set point" for your body, so when you do come off its much easier to maintain. I personally gained very little on the short cycle approach, but on top of that felt it was way harder to maintain

^^My thoughts exactly^^ Excellent post!
I personally think short cycles are a bit of a waste and just give you the hormonal Yo-yo effect, never really allowing your body fully settle (on or off).
I've found extended or prolonged cycles with LOW DOSES are by far the best cycles, hands down..

Mike: at 40, are you considering a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test year round yet??

 

[rocko419]

^^My thoughts exactly^^ Excellent post!
I personally think short cycles are a bit of a waste and just give you the hormonal Yo-yo effect, never really allowing your body fully settle (on or off).
I've found extended or prolonged cycles with LOW DOSES are by far the best cycles, hands down..

Mike: at 40, are you considering a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test year round yet??

Jay funny you say that. This is somthing that has been on my mind hot and heavy.. And The thing is and not that I'm A follower cuzz realisticly I allways been kind of a leader in different things in my personal and work life. BUT I see you guys doing your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose and I wanna do it to. But again the thing is is that do I really need it? What benafits do I get from it? More important what Negatives do I get from It? @ 40 I shit you not I still get an erection when I wake up in the morning. @ 40 I want to fuck every girl I talk to. (And yes I am maried and no I don't act just cuzz I want to fuck every girl I talk to).. Just thought I would add that..So that's exactly why I jumped on that short cycle artical and brought it up to you guys. I figure that would be the next best thing to getting on a trt. Do I need to start another thread I would really love to hear some thoughts on the subject..

 

[JayC]

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Jay funny you say that. This is somthing that has been on my mind hot and heavy.. And The thing is and not that I'm A follower cuzz realisticly I allways been kind of a leader in different things in my personal and work life. BUT I see you guys doing your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose and I wanna do it to. But again the thing is is that do I really need it? What benafits do I get from it? More important what Negatives do I get from It? @ 40 I shit you not I still get an erection when I wake up in the morning. @ 40 I want to fuck every girl I talk to. (And yes I am maried and no I don't act just cuzz I want to fuck every girl I talk to).. Just thought I would add that..So that's exactly why I jumped on that short cycle artical and brought it up to you guys. I figure that would be the next best thing to getting on a trt. Do I need to start another thread I would really love to hear some thoughts on the subject..

I'll PM bro... but, its not that I think you need to but alot of guys at 40 who have cycled repeatedly consider it. I'm not even close to 40 and already think about it .. alot of benefits to running a VERY LOW dose of TEST ONLY year round and its safe. Bloods test might be in order if your not sure.

 

[cannon]

alot of benefits to running a VERY LOW dose of TEST ONLY year round and its safe.

Not trying to get off topic here but I don't think anyone should say being on synthetic testosterone year round is anything but safe.
It's a suspected carcinogen.

Known and Suspected Carcinogens

Anyways my point on a short cycle was more about I haven't experienced the large growth some do in the first month when the long esters are just kicking in.
In theory an 8 week short ester cycle should be similar to a 12 week long ester cycle right?

Thanks for the real world advice needsize, that does make sense. great to hear from people who have actually done a short/short cycle.
I like to try different things anyways so I will do this cycle in the coming months and keep a log.

 

[liftsiron]

I like the author of the shot cycle article but totally disagree with him on this issue. I don't believe you limit sides, nor do I believe that short cycles allow for proper recovery b/t cycles, nor are the gains comparable to longer well planned cycles.