How to tell estrogen related gyno symptoms from prolactin (deca)

[Russell77]

About to try deca for the first time.

I'm planning Test E @440 for wks 1-14, Deca @350 for wks 1-12(maybe 14wks?), dbol @40mg/d wks 1-4.
I have the following on hand - Prami, Aromasin, Letro, Nolva, Clomid, inject B12, B6, etc.

I know the feeling of elevated E levels, and am pretty comfortable with dialling the aromasin dose and frequency to what I'll need without crashing.

Any advice on how I'll know if symptoms (like sensitive nips) are estrogen related or prolactin related when on Deca?

I'm ready to go with Prami (small dose, ramp up slow, etc.), but don't want to take it at all if I don't really have to. Some have mentioned that deca <400/wk may not ever cause prolactin issues, but I'm scared of having something get out of control, and in favour of stopping things before they start.

Any thoughts or feedback are appreciated!
Thanks.

 

[DreDay187]

Simple: estrogen causes gyno and prolactin doesn't

 

[Teutonic]

Run test, see what happens. No variable there; counter with ai. Zero it out.

Add deca; if your making coffee creamer; caber or prami; zero it out.

I hated the b/s of controlling sides with more drugs. GD it it gets expensive and confusing. Like running nasal spray to do more blow; then your setum is deviated...surgery. I cut my mamms out.. Zero problem since.

 

[sadpanda]

if you get milky, its prolactin.

prolactin doesn't cause gyno, it just causes lacation.

I've been milky twice, its fucked up loool. Caber will be good to you.

 

[Matt0071]

Never had an issue with puffy or sensitive nips, I prefer not running an ai myself but thats me, as others will disagree, but if I go over 500mg of test a week or add in an oral like dbol most currently I would start running .25 adex ed
Pretty much anything that is going to aromitize pretty quickly like higher test, deca, npp, dbol ect I wouldnt chance myself not running an ai, running my test lower and tren higher I have no probs with estro related sides

 

[Russell77]

I didn't know that...

I'm assuming you're correct since nobody's corrected you, so - Thanks!

That will certainly make it MUCH easier to tell than I thought lol

Simple: estrogen causes gyno and prolactin doesn't

 

[Russell77]

Thanks everyone for the replies so far. Seriously much appreciated.

if you get milky, its prolactin.

prolactin doesn't cause gyno, it just causes lacation.

I've been milky twice, its fucked up loool. Caber will be good to you.

Just to follow up with a little more info...
I've been taking TRT dose of test for a year now so I've got the aromasin dialled in pretty good, and not concerned about that.
Don't have access to Caber so opted for Prami
Feel better about looking out for the deca sides now, since I know well what to look for from the test and dbol
and forgot to mention I'm rounding the last month off with var, as I like the hardening feeling at the end

Thanks guys
Cheers

 

[Russell77]

I've been taking 400mg of deca/wk, and 485mg test C (shot e4d) for 4wks now. 3-4mg of Aromasin per day, and no need for prami yet.

So how long on deca until I'd start to notice potentially negative sides? I know it takes a long time to "kick in", just not sure how much of a negative kick there is and don't wanted to get side blinded by them one day.

I'm open to bumping up the dose, but don't want to up the test much more, since in the past I've started shedding some hair around 500/wk.

And if sides arose, how long until the prami would take care of it?

Thanks.

 

[sadpanda]

i got milky within the 2nd week of deca

deca usually kicks in a little after test, your joints should feel better by now though

prami n caber will take care of the sides pretty fast dw

and thats a pretty low aromasin dosage

i would up it personally especially since you aren't running prami or caber yet and the best way to control prolactin is control estrogen

 

[Norsegod]

Yeah, prolactin doesn't cause gyno. I accidentally replied to a post and unwittingly kind of said it did and shoot did I hear about it. lol. As long as you keep e2 in check you shouldn't have to worry, especially with that low of a dose of deca. I'm not saying it's impossible. just unlikely. Always be ready. Good luck, brother. You'll love the gains.

 

[Norsegod]

Oh and run the test AT LEAST two weeks longer than the deca as it takes longer to clear your system, unless you plan on joining the church and being abstinent for a month or so. lol

 

[Russell77]

Thanks for the fast and valuable replies!

deca usually kicks in a little after test, your joints should feel better by now though

Never had any real issues with joints, but YES by week 2-3 I started to notice them feeling stronger, and at 36 that's cool

and thats a pretty low aromasin dosage

i would up it personally especially since you aren't running prami or caber yet and the best way to control prolactin is control estrogen

I agree, but after over a yr of using stane (on cycle and trt dose), with e2 bloodwork along the way, I feel like I have a pretty good handle on it.
Too much more and my libido crashes, less and I notice oily skin, onset of mild backne, sensitive nips, and an overall feeling of being bloated/lazy.
I also find that taking it daily lets me take less that say EOD like I do at trt doses, and do vary it a little day by day between 3-5mg.

Thanks guys.