I need advice on my cycle between primo, masteron, var, etc.

[Slade00]

I just did just over 2 weeks of dbol and sustanon and gained 11 lbs going great but had to stop do to pain and swelling now my wife's having our baby in two days,so, before I start again I want to switch gears and go with something different like primo, tbol, masteron, var, etc to still grow and bulk but not worry about sides like gyno or water ret like with dbol. I'd like to burn fat but ultimately add lbs. I'm ready to order and will be ordering AI and put as well just need help deciding. Thanks all

 

[alphabravo]

You weren't using an AI with sus and dbol? That's disastrous.

You still need to run test with mentioned compounds.

2 weeks is not long for test, even a blend like sus with shorter esters, there was no time for the long esters to peak. Why would you run test for 2 weeks any?

Did you do a proper PCT?

What's your diet like?

Training routine?

States - age, weight, body fat.. etc?

It's hard to burn fat and gain pounds... just saying, but it sounds like you wanna recomp?

I suggest in all honesty you run PCT and wait to gear up after you've adjusted to the babies arrival. Not sure if this is your first or not but either way you won't be getting much rest for 30 days straight, you'll be tired, your diet and training will suffer from this which is normal. I've done the baby drill 3 times now and strongly suggest you wait until things have settled a bit so you can focus more on your cycle, new borns take up a lot of time and energy.

 

[Slade00]

No ai or pct with that and it turned out fine.srated out as a 6 weeks cycle. My body went kaboom and felt great had to break though due to test flu now it's a moot point because of newborn.
Yes I will be taking test E with whatever I order just wanted to know what was another good compound.
Stats are
5'8
185 lbs
35 yrs
Bf% guessing 20
Active work construction and lifted on off for years but serious straight 1 year
Diet is clean and made for bulking
Like I said I'm worried with my bf% as high as it is with dbol id like to go with a compound with less sides or just one for cutting yet I will probably keep my diet for bulking. Advice on primo, var, masteron, etc thanks

 

[oldmusclemike]

Need more stats as to age and training history.

No AI and only 6 weeks I'll bet it is all water weight. How much LMM do you think you can gain in a year and you are talking about 11 lbs in 6 weeks? I tell you that isn't enough time to have all the synthesis to complete building LMM .

If a man can only gain 15-20 lbs of LMM in a year, cycles and all what do you think you gained in 6 weeks.

Not bashing you but teaching and advising what is real

 

[Roush]

you can bulk or cut on pretty much any compound , its really all diet dependent . wet compounds that bloat you cause of aromatization can be controlled with an AI. Dry compounds that don't covert to estrogen still have anabolic ratings that will help you build muscle.

of course there are plenty of compounds with much fewer sides (if your not good at controlling negative sides with ancillaries) then other compounds. but sides are individual as well . Tren does not aromatize and you can stay dry and lean and still bulk and build muscle. Don't have to worry about any estrogen related sides. BUT there are a shit ton of non estrogen related sides that could really suck. just depends on the person .


my personal experience . run a small amount of test with primo and you will have no sides. run test with Tbol or var and you will have very few sides. run test with some mast and sides will be low.
those compounds have no estrogen related issues and very few sides. need to run them at proper dosages and give the time to work though. not going to blow you up like 60mg of dbol would

 

[Slade00]

Solid shit there Roush thanks

 

[Slade00]

Should I still run an ai with those? If you were me, which one or two would you stack with test? I'll try them all at some point but for starters?

 

[Roush]

Should I still run an ai with those? If you were me, which one or two would you stack with test? I'll try them all at some point but for starters?

test itself is the only thing that will aromatize . so it depends on how much test you plan to run. run 150-200 mg of test a week as a base only and you may not need an AI at all. run 500mg of test and you will for sure.

I'm a fan of Primo for long term use , 12-16 weeks. its smooth and clean but slow going. for shorter term blasts I'm a fan of high dose Masteron , preferably front loaded , i.e, Masteron Propianate stacked with Mast E.
weeks 1-5 mast prop 150mg eod
weeks 1-12 mast e 600 mg a week

and you can run an oral with that as well like Tbol for the first 6 weeks. again NO ai will be needed if test is kept low enough

 

[Slade00]

I'm pickin up what your puttin down. So it's ok to dose higher of something over test?
See I have deca on hand but am a little nervous that it's more uncertainty or maintainance so I'm leaning toward one of what you've mentioned? Am I paranoid

 

[Roush]

I'm pickin up what your puttin down. So it's ok to dose higher of something over test?

double post

 

[Roush]

I'm pickin up what your puttin down. So it's ok to dose higher of something over test?

its not only ok , its actually preferred (for a lot of guys with plenty of cycles under their belt). On my current cycle of test , tren , masteron, some dbol here and there, and then some ment at week 9 , I'm only running 175 mg of test . I'm only running enough test to keep my sex hormones going . I don't need anymore , the other compounds are serving as my anabolics. I have too many negative side effects with high testosterone

edit note: and the masteron is helping me use the test i do have more efficiently . thats what Mast does , you don't need more test with mast, it frees up and better uses test that you do have

 

[Slade00]

Interesting, learn something new everyday. Is that true with deca too? I feel like I read everywhere 500 mgs of test is the sweet spot and example deca at a lower dose. Maybe I got test flu because I was dosing too high.

 

[Roush]

Interesting, learn something new everyday. Is that true with deca too? I feel like I read everywhere 500 mgs of test is the sweet spot and example deca at a lower dose. Maybe I got test flu because I was dosing too high.

absolutely true with deca. plenty of guys run a low TRT dose of test (200mg) and blast 500mg a week of Deca with no issues and great results. as long as you control estrogen and Prolactin (induced from 19nor, deca use) with a dopamine agonist like cabergoline, then you'll be good to go with no deca dick. you don't need more and more testosterone , as that can amplify the negative side effects.

 

[Slade00]

Ha everything I thought I knews out the window. Like I said I have decal and dbol but since I'm ordering test I was going to order one that you mentioned. I don't know what to get and how to dose now. I'll catch you tomorrow thanks

 

[Roush]

Ha everything I thought I knews out the window.

welcome to the matrix

 

[baseball40]

@roush, interesting info here and thinking about my thread you commented on. If you recall, I am going to do test/deca/var for six weeks, then test/deca/mast e from 7-14, then dropping the deca and finishing with test,mast e till week 20....AI while on, then PCT. Question is about the Mast p you mentioned. Would it be a waste to do that with the Var for weeks 1-6 or potentially replace the Var with mast p? Thanks man!

 

[Roush]

@roush, interesting info here and thinking about my thread you commented on. If you recall, I am going to do test/deca/var for six weeks, then test/deca/mast e from 7-14, then dropping the deca and finishing with test,mast e till week 20....AI while on, then PCT. Question is about the Mast p you mentioned. Would it be a waste to do that with the Var for weeks 1-6 or potentially replace the Var with mast p? Thanks man!

no would not be a waste to use both, the point in front loading the mast p with the mast e is just to get the masteron kicking in quite a bit faster rather then waiting around for weeks. you can still run var along with that as well as your oral kickstart, you don't have to choose between var or mast p as two separate kickstarts. just think of the var as your oral kickstart and the mast p as your masteron 'booster' to get it in the system quicker.

 

[baseball40]

cool, thanks roush. I'll try it that way. Will let you know how it goes.

 

[Slade00]

Can you run short and long esters together or do they all have to be one or the other? Example like starting a test e cycle with any short ester compound or oral, should they all be short or all be long considering??

 

[Roush]

Can you run short and long esters together or do they all have to be one or the other? Example like starting a test e cycle with any short ester compound or oral, should they all be short or all be long considering??

if you know what your doing and know how to put what compound where in the stack then yes can be ran together no problem. I run long and short esters together all the time . I'm also an advocate of front loading long ester cycles with their short ester counterparts.
example - a test e cycle that will go 12 weeks, run test prop with that at the beginning for the first 5 weeks to get things going quicker.