I screwed up... can i recover... please help me.

[gymrat827]

ive read about guys coming back from 10-14 month cycles from clomid. 100mg ED, while it does have its downfalls in certain areas i really think it works the best getting you back to normal in the shortest amount of time.


torem/nolva are both great, but i hit the clomid hard the first few wks of post cycle therapy (pct). you are in a wayy harder place to get back from. I would also consider otc t boosters....i get results from them and i believe you need all the help you can get. your young and need to get your shit on track.




GL

 

[jadakiss]

Hey phat when going in for a doctor appointment what type of blood test should he tell his doc to do?

 

[Spongy]

I feel for you Bro, but these guys here know what they are talking about. The above post about anxiety is true. One of the things that many people fail to realize is that stress itself can affect hormone levels. On that note, you may want to bounce down to the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forum and read some of those posts. Right now there is a guy coming off an extended testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol and he is logging it. It looks very promising. And stick around my friend, lots of great people on this board to help you out.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Its okay man. Just worry about a good post cycle therapy (pct) and then grit your teeth and hang on. Not to make light of aas usage, but the guys on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) usually abused for a while ( not all the time) so try not to worry about it and get more than one blood test done.

ALSO if your honest with a doctor he WILL put you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), even if you used aas. If you tell him your done using it and you just want to live a healthy " normal" life again that helps. Your not a villian in a doctor's eyes, your a patient!

 

[China_Wall]

My question about 5000ius hcg being enough for post cycle therapy (pct) still stands... but i have one more..

Will cialis really help my libido when i come off? (Like will it make me want to have sex, or just help with ed...)

Pardon my ignorance..

hcg is NOT for post cycle therapy (pct)! u need clomid/nolva for that bro... like shovel said run the hcg two weeks leading up to the start of your one month post cycle therapy (pct) course...

210 at 9% is pretty impressive, are u sure your bf% is really that low? because pros in the olympia are at only 6-7%... sorry to get it off topic

live and learn bro

 

[P4P4_D]

Hey phat when going in for a doctor appointment what type of blood test should he tell his doc to do?

Female hormone panel

 

[GreenPipes]

See a dr and just be honest. Health is numero uno.....besides arnold ofcourse.

 

[simpllyhuge]

I came off of years of being on. It sucked but this isn't that big a deal. I didn't read he whole thread but use your HCG and start your clomid for 4 weeks, Then if you still don't feel normal run the clomid at 25 mg for a few more weeks. Keep squatting Deadlifting and benching and you will be fine in time. IMO continuing to work out is a big part of it.

I have friends who were on for 3-4 years and came off with nothing because they are too stupid to do post cycle therapy (pct). They were back to normal in a few months and back 100 percent after 6 and that's with no post cycle therapy (pct) and not working out.

If you can afford the doctor go. This isn't gonna be fun but it's nit the bad unless you expect it to be.
Start now while it's winter so you feel good by the summer.

 

[smadizm1]

Nolvadex fan here for pct.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Come off run the hcg to get your testicles back to normal size and then run a normal post cycle therapy (pct) with Clomid and then run IGR1 LR3 for 2 months. Get you blood work done at the 1 month mark and them at 2 months. to see what you need to do. YOur feeling like shit because 150mg isn't doing it.

 

[el1320]

Is clomid imperative for post cycle therapy (pct)? The sides are NOT something i want to deal with if i can avoid it... Torem/tamox was what i planned on, but my health is my primary concern, so i could always get some..hope lion comes through for my others. That's the only thing i'm waiting on right now...

Thanks for all the help guys, i will be here frequently.. This trip seems daunting, but your words of encoragement have really taken a weight off my chest.

In regards to the 9% bodyfat... I can't tell 100% as it was done by caliper(s)... But id assume they're fairly accurate.

 

[bigherm2121]

Hang in there bro do what shovel said and you'll be fine. Your gonna feel like a wet fart for a month but its not like depression feels great either. Good luck let us all know how u make out

 

[darkside06]

Come off run the hcg to get your testicles back to normal size and then run a normal pct with Clomid and then run IGR1 LR3 for 2 months. Get you blood work done at the 1 month mark and them at 2 months. to see what you need to do. YOur feeling like shit because 150mg isn't doing it.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

That's exactly what you need to do right there.

Just hang in there and do what we recomended and you should be fine in time. Good luck bro.

 

[el1320]

The IGR i'm assuming is just to help me keep my muscle mass when i come off, correct?

and like i asked... i can't substitute clomid with torem and tamox?

 

[Phatbastard]

hcg is NOT for PCT! u need clomid/nolva for that bro... like shovel said run the hcg two weeks leading up to the start of your one month PCT course...

210 at 9% is pretty impressive, are u sure your bf% is really that low? because pros in the olympia are at only 6-7%... sorry to get it off topic

live and learn bro

I disagree hcg can be used for pct! Boost a couple High doses as a precurser to pct.

The IGR i'm assuming is just to help me keep my muscle mass when i come off, correct?

and like i asked... i can't substitute clomid with torem and tamox?

Many people use Torem as aposed to Clomid

 

[Shovel]

The IGR i'm assuming is just to help me keep my muscle mass when i come off, correct?

and like i asked... i can't substitute clomid with torem and tamox?

IGF1-LR3!
Some believe in it and if I could get pharm grade, I'd believe in it.

I've used 20/20/20/10/10 Nolvadex alone for pct and kept alot of my hard earned weight. I also kept eating for the weight I wanted to be...