i want to use clenbuterol to help reduce bf?

[detroitdrugzzz93]

stats: 20yrs old, bf 12-14%, 6ft tall, 200lbs


I have been in a cut phase and I plan to stay in one until I am at 6-8% body fat. However, I absolutely hate cutting, it is very boring and I feel like a bitch during it. I am so hungry all the time lol. So I would like to use clenbuterol to achieve my goals faster as I would like to get back to bulking asap.


this is my workout routine:

1 hour cardio everyday, treadmill 6.0mph, try and keep heart rate between 150-160bpm.
then I have a 5on 2off- lighter weight lifting routine, compound movements mostly, 5sets x 12reps


diet: this is what iv been doing

47% protein -- 340grams of protein per day = 1,360 calories
27% carbs -- 200grams of carbs per day = 800 cals
25% fats -- 80 grams of healthy fats per day = 720 cals

at least 1 gallon of water, + multivitamin

total cals: 2,880 cals per day, I am hungry alot and have been seeing slow improvement so I believe
I am in a small caloric deficit.

how can I improve this diet?


here is my proposed regimen for clen:


30ml @ 200mcg/ml of LiquiClen = 6000mcg/ per bottle

Day 1-2: 20mcg
Day 3-4: 40mcg
Day 5-6: 60mcg
Day 7-9: 80mcg
Day 10-12: 40mcg
Day 13-14: 20mcg

2 weeks ON, 2 weeks OFF cycle = 640mcg = 1 Bottle will last 9.3 cycles


shoud I add t3 to the mix?
critique the regimen please.. this would be my first time doing anything more involved than creatine so I wanted to start out lightly.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

bump

 

[CGI]

You're protein seems way too high. I would drop it to 235 and up your carbs to make up the difference.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

You're protein seems way too high. I would drop it to 235 and up your carbs to make up the difference.

whyy

 

[CGI]

Well for one you're consuming more protein than people who compete for Mr.O. That amount of protein is unnecessary and takes and unnecessary toll on your body. Carbs are not your enemy, they are your friend. Also I wouldn't start all of the fat loss stuff right of the bat. Start with 1 thing and then when you hit sticking point incorporate something new. YOu seem to be going for everything all at once. I would start with just the diet first, then when you feel you aren't losing anymore weight try doing 1 cardio session a week, then 2 then 3 and then maybe add a small dose of clen a couple times a week and then when you hit another sticking point add some more. With fat loss as with many things in bodybuilding, slow and steady wins the race. I'm also assuming you're not on any AAS?

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

Well for one you're consuming more protein than people who compete for Mr.O. That amount of protein is unnecessary and takes and unnecessary toll on your body. Carbs are not your enemy, they are your friend. Also I wouldn't start all of the fat loss stuff right of the bat. Start with 1 thing and then when you hit sticking point incorporate something new. YOu seem to be going for everything all at once. I would start with just the diet first, then when you feel you aren't losing anymore weight try doing 1 cardio session a week, then 2 then 3 and then maybe add a small dose of clen a couple times a week and then when you hit another sticking point add some more. With fat loss as with many things in bodybuilding, slow and steady wins the race. I'm also assuming you're not on any AAS?

no I am not on AAS. I thought carbs were bad though, I thought you were supposed to lower carbs for cutting and up protein.

 

[ryan640]

You should carb cycle protein does seem a little high

 

[CGI]

There are natural bodybuilders that get competition shredded under 5% on over 400 grams of carbs. Carbs are not the enemy. You want to manipulate overall caloric consumption and people tend to go far carbs because it's the biggest chunk of non-essential macros for survival. Here's the thing with dieting, you want to lose fat while keeping overall macros as HIGH as possible. Think about dieting like Batman's utility belt. He's got all kinds of useful gadgets. But in order to defeat the bad guys he doesn't use everything in his belt all at once right? Because if he does he'll have nothing else to fall back on. So start off slow with just one thing like I said and only introduce something new like extra cardio or Clen when you hit sticking points. I'm still natural and went from 26% ultra bulked bodyfat down to 11% bodyfat without doing ANY cardio or taking any fat burning supplements. When I wanted to go lower I did 1 15-20 minute HIIT session per week and that helped me get to 7-8% bodyfat. You don't need clen unless you're either lazy or you need to lose fat extremely fast for a contest or you're trying to get below 6% and you have utilized every other weightloss option. This is just my opinion.

 

[CGI]

Here's a quick question. You're 20 years old. You're at 12% bodyfat. Why don't you just bulk now? You don't need to get competition shredded before you bulk. Most guys bulk at a higher bodyfat % than you are at currently. I get pretty fat during my bulk like around 26% bodyfat. Think about it like this, you are spending time cutting when you could be using this time to get bigger and stronger. Using clen without AAS and not in preparation for a show just to hit a low bodyfat percentage in order to just bulk immediately afterwards sounds like a huge waste of time. The low calories + the cardio and + the clen will result in you losing muscle when you could just bulk right now and gain muscle.

 

[Austinite]

CGI is correct with the high protein assessment. get a comprehensive metabolic panel and you'll see your BUN/Creatinine ratio is off. You're inducing backed up bile and stressing organs. High protein is a complete myth.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

Here's a quick question. You're 20 years old. You're at 12% bodyfat. Why don't you just bulk now? You don't need to get competition shredded before you bulk. Most guys bulk at a higher bodyfat % than you are at currently. I get pretty fat during my bulk like around 26% bodyfat. Think about it like this, you are spending time cutting when you could be using this time to get bigger and stronger. Using clen without AAS and not in preparation for a show just to hit a low bodyfat percentage in order to just bulk immediately afterwards sounds like a huge waste of time. The low calories + the cardio and + the clen will result in you losing muscle when you could just bulk right now and gain muscle.

because in terms of fat I do not want to get bigger than I already am. I would like to get down to 6-8%, bulk from there, and cut once I am at like 14%. that batman analogy was extremely helpful btw. also, you say clen will result in you losing muscle? I read in a lot of places it actually made people stronger.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

CGI is correct with the high protein assessment. get a comprehensive metabolic panel and you'll see your BUN/Creatinine ratio is off. You're inducing backed up bile and stressing organs. High protein is a complete myth.

I hate to ask dumb questions but I have absolutely no clue what 'metabolic panel, BUN/Creatinine ratio, and bile' is to be honest.

 

[Austinite]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...cycling-affects-your-levels-find-out-how.html

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

Here's a quick question. You're 20 years old. You're at 12% bodyfat. Why don't you just bulk now? You don't need to get competition shredded before you bulk. Most guys bulk at a higher bodyfat % than you are at currently. I get pretty fat during my bulk like around 26% bodyfat. Think about it like this, you are spending time cutting when you could be using this time to get bigger and stronger. Using clen without AAS and not in preparation for a show just to hit a low bodyfat percentage in order to just bulk immediately afterwards sounds like a huge waste of time. The low calories + the cardio and + the clen will result in you losing muscle when you could just bulk right now and gain muscle.

my face is susceptible to any fat gain which I do not like but looks great when im in the 6-10% which is the biggest reason tbh.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...cycling-affects-your-levels-find-out-how.html

thank you.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...cycling-affects-your-levels-find-out-how.html

okay well since I cant get any blood tests at the moment considering its 3am what % of pr, carbs, d fat do u suggest I go for starting tomorrow? also total calorie intake?

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

also nobody has made comment on clen regimen obviously I need to get this diet right first though

 

[CGI]

because in terms of fat I do not want to get bigger than I already am. I would like to get down to 6-8%, bulk from there, and cut once I am at like 14%. that batman analogy was extremely helpful btw. also, you say clen will result in you losing muscle? I read in a lot of places it actually made people stronger.

Clen take in a caloric deficit as a natural without any AAS or Growth etc from what I know will result in muscle catabolism. Also from what I know it has a slight anabolic effect but will ultimately result in muscle catabolism as a natural if you are trying to go from 12-6% unless you take AAS ( which I don't suggest you do until you build your muscle and possibly get a little older).

Trust me I don't like getting fat either. I have pictures of myself at 26% bodyfat and 8% bodyfat. It's night and day. I look much better, my face is leaner and more attractive and women give you much more positive attention at lower bodyfat percentages but honestly if you want to make gains then you should expect some fat gain and not care so much. But if you want to hit the numbers I was talking about I would tell you to not start off like you planed on starting off. I would take the advice I have already given you.

 

[CGI]

okay well since I cant get any blood tests at the moment considering its 3am what % of pr, carbs, d fat do u suggest I go for starting tomorrow? also total calorie intake?

I'll tell you what. I never do the typical cookie cutter approaches when it comes to saying " oh you need do do 40/30/30 " or w/e number they like to throwout. Just remember this. Protein = 4 calories per gram, Carbs= 4 Calories per Gram and Fat= 9 calories per gram. Also like I said earlier, you want to keep these numbers as HIGH as you possibly can while still losing weight due to my batman's utility belt analogy ( i saw you liked that anology, thanks I came up with it myself, copywrited lol ) Let's do this. Let's do a little more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight for your protein since protein has a thermogenic effect so we will do my peviously mentioned 235 grams of protein. So far that's 235x4= 940. Now for fat let's keep it not too high but also not too low so that you're messing with your hormones too much and that you will still have room to drop fat lower if you need to. Let's set your fat at 65 grams. Now that's the 65x9= 585 and then + the 940 from before that's 1525. Now the rest is carbs. Throughout this cut the mainthing you will be manipulating is probably carbs and fat to a much lesser extent. You will probably keep your protein constant. Let's we want to start you off at 3500 calories. Now I KNOW that sounds high for a cut and you might even be in a caloric surplus, THAT'S OKAY, like I said we want to start you off as high as possible so stay on that many calories for about 2 weeks and take your bodyweight measurement at consistent time EVERYDAY and recrd the result take your 7-day weekly average and record that down as well and then do that for 2 weeks to see if you're gaining or losing weight and by how much and then adjust your macros/calories accordingly. If I were you I would aim for 1lb of fat loss per week, try not to go any faster than that. Anyway let's calculate your carbs then. We take 3600-1525= 2075. 2075/4= 518.75 so round it up to 519. THERE YOU GO. You P/C/F will be 235/519/65. You're welcome and good luck.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

I'll tell you what. I never do the typical cookie cutter approaches when it comes to saying " oh you need do do 40/30/30 " or w/e number they like to throwout. Just remember this. Protein = 4 calories per gram, Carbs= 4 Calories per Gram and Fat= 9 calories per gram. Also like I said earlier, you want to keep these numbers as HIGH as you possibly can while still losing weight due to my batman's utility belt analogy ( i saw you liked that anology, thanks I came up with it myself, copywrited lol ) Let's do this. Let's do a little more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight for your protein since protein has a thermogenic effect so we will do my peviously mentioned 235 grams of protein. So far that's 235x4= 940. Now for fat let's keep it not too high but also not too low so that you're messing with your hormones too much and that you will still have room to drop fat lower if you need to. Let's set your fat at 65 grams. Now that's the 65x9= 585 and then + the 940 from before that's 1525. Now the rest is carbs. Throughout this cut the mainthing you will be manipulating is probably carbs and fat to a much lesser extent. You will probably keep your protein constant. Let's we want to start you off at 3500 calories. Now I KNOW that sounds high for a cut and you might even be in a caloric surplus, THAT'S OKAY, like I said we want to start you off as high as possible so stay on that many calories for about 2 weeks and take your bodyweight measurement at consistent time EVERYDAY and recrd the result take your 7-day weekly average and record that down as well and then do that for 2 weeks to see if you're gaining or losing weight and by how much and then adjust your macros/calories accordingly. If I were you I would aim for 1lb of fat loss per week, try not to go any faster than that. Anyway let's calculate your carbs then. We take 3600-1525= 2075. 2075/4= 518.75 so round it up to 519. THERE YOU GO. You P/C/F will be 235/519/65. You're welcome and good luck.

thank you very much. that helps put the cutting diet in a lot better perspective for me. I really appreciate the well-written out detailed answers because I really do take to heart what the ppl on these forums tell me and am beginning to use they're knowledge to help shape my future in fitness.