you are way more likely to push the needle through a vein than actually inject in a vein , most of the panic cases you see on the net are people who bleed excessively when they remove the needle and they assume they injected into the vein but usually the needle passed through the vein and when you withdraw the needle it bleeds and they panicvauto said:Usually you will know when you hit one. I was told that when you hit a vein you sometimes get a funny taste in your mouth. Has anyone else heard this?
vauto said:Usually you will know when you hit one. I was told that when you hit a vein you sometimes get a funny taste in your mouth. Has anyone else heard this?
luciasbrown said:You wanna know what happens if you inject oil into the vein-nothing. Nothing at all. Its always a good idea to aspirate, but die from oil emboli, not a chance. I say this as a medical professional who specializes in this field. I rule out clot in the vascular system all the time, I routinely inject several cc's of air into the veins as well to determine cardiac anatomy. Nothing happens, nothing is ever going to happen.The truth is that small emboli go to the lungs all the time and nothing happens. Sure if a big clot broke off from a DVT you could die, but those things are pretty damn big, some day Ill post pictures of some my interesting cases. I have numerous posts about this topic on another board. I mainly specialize in the heart though and youre Rt ventricle isnt going to blow out b/c of this either. Again a large Pulmonary embolism will cause volume overload, but a cc of oil or two, no way.
Lonewolf said:awesome post. I'd love to see those pictures if you don't mind posting them. Thanks for the info
bro i dont want to get him in trouble but a vet friend of mine got a call at the end of the day but it turns out the cow was to far gone to save but he was out of the meds he needed on his truck so he tried to put it out of its misery [ broken leg ] by injecting air into a vein he used syringe after syringe and nothing so he had to go back to the office for the medsluciasbrown said:That just doesnt make sense, he was told he had congestive heart failure. That effects the left side to the heart. A pulmonary embolus effects the lungs and backs up into the rt heart. And who knows what synthol does to the lungs anyway, I mean its injected to cause swelling of the muscle that its injected into, what will that do to the lungs I have no idea, also and who knows if he is being completely forthright with all the details after all what vein in the tricep is big enough to accept a 3cc bolus without collapsing first. It just doesnt pass the sniff test. Ill humbly apologize if Im wrong- if anyone can find in any research or case studies where someone died or was injured by an oil embolism, I certainly havent found any and it doesnt jive with my real world experience or my education. As I said before its not a bad idea to aspirate, but to worry about dying from hitting a vein, No way. Its like the BS that someone died from shooting an air bubble up his arm. We have all heard that one right, impossible unless its like 100cc or something crazy. I think alot people honestly believe that is possible and continue to repeat it with realistic and colorful stories of someone having this happen to boot. It has no basis in reality and I inject air into peoples veins all the time. So bottom line, aspirate so you dont waste your gear, but dont worry and dont call 911.
luciasbrown said:Ill work on it, the problem is that the images I have the patients name is on the screen or films so I have to figure out to block that before I post them or else I get sued big time. But I post on alot of these topics so Im going to working on getting visuals to help explain. Its always easier to see it. I just did a patient that came in the Er with a clot that went to his lungs. I believe he was 44 and he died. Its a pretty classic case, but they usually die before we can see it.
DADAWG said:bro i dont want to get him in trouble but a vet friend of mine got a call at the end of the day but it turns out the cow was to far gone to save but he was out of the meds he needed on his truck so he tried to put it out of its misery [ broken leg ] by injecting air into a vein he used syringe after syringe and nothing so he had to go back to the office for the meds
Lonewolf said:If you send the file to me(i'm a mod on another board) or maybe a mod on this board, we'd be happy to block out all personal information and post it up. lemme know