SolomonGrundy
Grrr...tren Good
yea its unnatural to not jack it or peruse ladies
If u don't hv a lady currently/don't masturbate, then y wud u worry abt libido issues
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halfwit
I like turtles.
And this is why we don't advocate AAS to younger folks. I've read this silly "no fap/no porn" thread over at the forum you likely came from and it's COMPLETE broscience at BEST. You have estrogen problems my man, get a blood test to see for yourself and learn how to cycle properly. Once you're done, please stay away from AAS until you can handle the psychological challenges that come from using exogenous hormones.
Yes, I read all of your posts and while I want to help you, you do make it difficult as is often the case with younger guys and their "I know best" attitude provided by a few google searches agreeing with their current philosophical viewpoint. As you've spent some time reading about masturbation and it's ill effects, a smart man would question this information and find counterpoints to the argument, which I assure you are FAR greater in number and have scientific FACT backing them. Hint: Busting a nut DAILY is not only good for you, but it can prolong your life. I agree however, training your body and mind to ejaculate as quickly as possible is a quick way to find disappointed partners.
No, I didn't fap today - but the wife's home and after hitting it twice and a bj, I just don't feel the need. That's what my libido on testosterone tells me to do, and I'm sure if she weren't home - I'd be on some internet porn site right now. Frankly, I worry about people that DON'T rub one out. Tells me they have some serious psychological issues or (in your case I suspect) hormonal ones.
My .02c
Yes, I read all of your posts and while I want to help you, you do make it difficult as is often the case with younger guys and their "I know best" attitude provided by a few google searches agreeing with their current philosophical viewpoint. As you've spent some time reading about masturbation and it's ill effects, a smart man would question this information and find counterpoints to the argument, which I assure you are FAR greater in number and have scientific FACT backing them. Hint: Busting a nut DAILY is not only good for you, but it can prolong your life. I agree however, training your body and mind to ejaculate as quickly as possible is a quick way to find disappointed partners.
No, I didn't fap today - but the wife's home and after hitting it twice and a bj, I just don't feel the need. That's what my libido on testosterone tells me to do, and I'm sure if she weren't home - I'd be on some internet porn site right now. Frankly, I worry about people that DON'T rub one out. Tells me they have some serious psychological issues or (in your case I suspect) hormonal ones.
My .02c
And this is why we don't advocate AAS to younger folks. I've read this silly "no fap/no porn" thread over at the forum you likely came from and it's COMPLETE broscience at BEST. You have estrogen problems my man, get a blood test to see for yourself and learn how to cycle properly. Once you're done, please stay away from AAS until you can handle the psychological challenges that come from using exogenous hormones.
Yes, I read all of your posts and while I want to help you, you do make it difficult as is often the case with younger guys and their "I know best" attitude provided by a few google searches agreeing with their current philosophical viewpoint. As you've spent some time reading about masturbation and it's ill effects, a smart man would question this information and find counterpoints to the argument, which I assure you are FAR greater in number and have scientific FACT backing them. Hint: Busting a nut DAILY is not only good for you, but it can prolong your life. I agree however, training your body and mind to ejaculate as quickly as possible is a quick way to find disappointed partners.
No, I didn't fap today - but the wife's home and after hitting it twice and a bj, I just don't feel the need. That's what my libido on testosterone tells me to do, and I'm sure if she weren't home - I'd be on some internet porn site right now. Frankly, I worry about people that DON'T rub one out. Tells me they have some serious psychological issues or (in your case I suspect) hormonal ones.
My .02c
Bro u seem like a 'verteran' here, so lets talk things based on facts.
u wot mate. Please give me the link to the study, pls. Who is the broscientist here bro??
I can control my mind, so I have estrogen problems? great logic mate. "few google searches"??? "time spent reading abt masturbation and ill effects"??? really, I have been following it man, not just reading. I have been on both the sides of this. I have gone from fapping 2-3 times a day to this time where I dont fap at all. Have you been on the no-fap side even for a month? NO. Then you can't talk abt what you are saying. With all due respect bro, I have questioned every info and implemented myself, seeing results on MYSELF and countless others. Who is the one inexperienced here on this topic?? I know you have 100 times the knowledge of me on AAS topics but not on this topic. I have said clearly, I don't have much knowledge of AAS, just a bit of basics that I know of.
U might have read my posts, but did you go thru the google search I talked about, I bet no. Let me do that now, since none of you seem to be doing it. I don't have time so I'll just quote two scientific studies done here. Feel free to debate with me, but with scientific backing or personal experience. Don't go bashing based on ur gut feeling.
Here is the link to first study,
Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orga... [World J Urol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
u don't want to click? ok, here is the abstract
Second study,
Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orga... [World J Urol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
abstract
So as you see, there is no negative when you follow abstinence, ONLY POSITIVES or no change if anything.
LOL at faggots trying to justify their masturbation habits without any experience on no-fap and calling it broscience.
halfwit
I like turtles.
Sweet, this is going to be a fun argument based on the fact you used the word bro 3 times in what could be one compound sentence. You want a study, how about:
Health Benefits of Masturbation for Men (It's not pubmed, but it has several sources cited at the bottom)
In case YOU decide you don't want to click:
- Improving the immune system’s functioning
- Building resistance to prostate gland infection, making for a healthier prostate (and sex life)
- Providing a highly effective form of stress relief.
- Improving mood by releasing endorphins.
- Stimulating a natural sleep sedative.
- Building stronger pelvic muscles, which can lead to better sex.
- Stimulating a natural energetic pick-me-up.
- Providing empowerment; especially by helping a man to feel better about his body, genitals, and sexual ability.
- Delivering rewarding and intense ejaculations.
- Potentially enhancing sex life in general by boosting sexual confidence which may result in becoming a better lover.
- Getting you or your partner off the hook if neither is available or not in the mood.
- Helping combat premature ejaculation; if a man can train himself to last longer solo, it could translate to lasting longer with her.
- Not putting oneself at risk of contracting a sexually transmitted disease.
Yeah, probably still not good enough for such an investigative student of the human body I'd imagine.
1. Christensen, C. (1995). Prescribed masturbation in sex therapy: A critique. Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 21, 87–99. Link
2. E Coleman - Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality, 2003 - Taylor & Francis, pages 87-99. Link
3. DSG Kay - Sexual and marital therapy, 1992 - Taylor & Francis, pages 97-107. Link
4. Masturbation: 5 Things You Didn't Know
Anyway, I could post links all night citing how it can improve your health - but as with most of the internet, (and studies) there is a counter-example for most.
You can control your mind? You started off with this thread asking why we should care about libido (ON CYCLE) if we don't have a partner. If you don't have a libido, and are taking exogenous testosterone, you have a hormone imbalance friend. You admit you lack knowledge of AAS, but yet tell every poster on here that they're wrong because masturbation lowers testosterone levels. Here's a novel concept: You CANNOT lower your testosterone levels if they come from a vial outside from the aromatase function which creates estrogen. Have I ever gone without masturbating? Yep. I explored the art of tantra which teaches you to abstain from all sexual impulses in order to experience a heightened state during intercourse. You're not talking to another one of your "bros" here, I'm damn near 40 years old and have been around the block a few times.
It's funny, you assume that I haven't already seen those studies which have NOTHING to do with your topic. They are referring to NATURAL testosterone patterns and levels which are nonexistent when cycling. Have you ever had sex while ON? Give you a another free hint, your penis lights up like a goddamn Christmas tree!
I find it even funnier when a child comes to play with the grown-ups and wants to spread his bullshit on an AAS site where it clearly has no place. Like I said, I really want to help you, I think you have not only a hormone imbalance but some serious psychological issues here. It's a shame you're letting your "control" over your mind fuck it all up for you.
Good day to you sir. Hopefully you can get your shit together after your PCT.
Oh, one last thing: A woman wanting to have sex with you before marriage isn't a slut. She's smart for wanting to test drive the goods before she commits to a life of mediocre sex.
Rida5d
city of the sun
Yes bro.. U right I just wanted to say the same but u got it first..
Seems that the op has some serious libido issues..
I feel like he has no sex drive at all..
I ll flame myself if a girl would call me out and I can't get it up , cialis in hand on post cycle therapy (pct) always just like protein shakes ...
Rida5d
city of the sun
Sweet, this is going to be a fun argument based on the fact you used the word bro 3 times in what could be one compound sentence. You want a study, how about:
Health Benefits of Masturbation for Men (It's not pubmed, but it has several sources cited at the bottom)
In case YOU decide you don't want to click:
How about:
- Improving the immune system***8217;s functioning
- Building resistance to prostate gland infection, making for a healthier prostate (and sex life)
- Providing a highly effective form of stress relief.
- Improving mood by releasing endorphins.
- Stimulating a natural sleep sedative.
- Building stronger pelvic muscles, which can lead to better sex.
- Stimulating a natural energetic pick-me-up.
- Providing empowerment; especially by helping a man to feel better about his body, genitals, and sexual ability.
- Delivering rewarding and intense ejaculations.
- Potentially enhancing sex life in general by boosting sexual confidence which may result in becoming a better lover.
- Getting you or your partner off the hook if neither is available or not in the mood.
- Helping combat premature ejaculation; if a man can train himself to last longer solo, it could translate to lasting longer with her.
- Not putting oneself at risk of contracting a sexually transmitted disease.
Yeah, probably still not good enough for such an investigative student of the human body I'd imagine.
1. Christensen, C. (1995). Prescribed masturbation in sex therapy: A critique. Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 21, 87***8211;99. Link
2. E Coleman - Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality, 2003 - Taylor & Francis, pages 87-99. Link
3. DSG Kay - Sexual and marital therapy, 1992 - Taylor & Francis, pages 97-107. Link
4. Masturbation: 5 Things You Didn't Know
Anyway, I could post links all night citing how it can improve your health - but as with most of the internet, (and studies) there is a counter-example for most.
You can control your mind? You started off with this thread asking why we should care about libido (ON CYCLE) if we don't have a partner. If you don't have a libido, and are taking exogenous testosterone, you have a hormone imbalance friend. You admit you lack knowledge of AAS, but yet tell every poster on here that they're wrong because masturbation lowers testosterone levels. Here's a novel concept: You CANNOT lower your testosterone levels if they come from a vial outside from the aromatase function which creates estrogen. Have I ever gone without masturbating? Yep. I explored the art of tantra which teaches you to abstain from all sexual impulses in order to experience a heightened state during intercourse. You're not talking to another one of your "bros" here, I'm damn near 40 years old and have been around the block a few times.
It's funny, you assume that I haven't already seen those studies which have NOTHING to do with your topic. They are referring to NATURAL testosterone patterns and levels which are nonexistent when cycling. Have you ever had sex while ON? Give you a another free hint, your penis lights up like a goddamn Christmas tree!
I find it even funnier when a child comes to play with the grown-ups and wants to spread his bullshit on an AAS site where it clearly has no place. Like I said, I really want to help you, I think you have not only a hormone imbalance but some serious psychological issues here. It's a shame you're letting your "control" over your mind fuck it all up for you.
Good day to you sir. Hopefully you can get your shit together after your PCT.
Oh, one last thing: A woman wanting to have sex with you before marriage isn't a slut. She's smart for wanting to test drive the goods before she commits to a life of mediocre sex.
Half, I think I'm in love with you.. In a no gay way..
Did u think about presidency issue I told u about?
Holy fuck , u da man bro...
Hlafwit thanks for being a part of the discussion bro. But I think we have digressed from the main point. So let me put the final things in bullet points before going with what I started.
1) My belief is that I follow no-fap and no-porn which has no ill effects on the endocrine system or anything. If anything it has positives, as shown thru Anavar (var) ious pubMed studies and my own practive.
2) You belief is that masturbating daily is OK backed by your articles given and daily practice. And that's fine with me.
Let's not argue on this particular topic further. To each it's own.
I'hv come here to take views out of knowledgeable members like you on the topic in my OP.
so now, lets come to the main topic. As others have said and you too agree that, if I don't really need to perform sexual activity during cycle then a limp dick caused by hpta suppression shud not be a cause of concern if I am going to recover out of it during post cycle therapy (pct) and certain time.
Now, I was planning on a Anavar (var) cycle@60mg/day for 6-8 weeks with post cycle therapy (pct) etc. ( stats below) goal is 7-10 lbs muscle while reducing bf by 3-4% in just next 3 months. will be taking care of the proper diet part. My choice of ana Anavar (var) , it being the safest oral. I might be prone to mpb so playing extremely safe. As I have read, test is recommended along with orals and just orals are forbidden.
so follow up question
1) will Anavar (var) only be fine? y do i need test if libido issues doesn't matter on cycle ? Do i need test jst cuz muscle mass from it are more maintainable. Also if muscle is muscle even if u get it from orals or any other compound, then y gains from injectibles are said to be more maintainable?
2) if you suggest test e, how low of it can i do while doing Anavar (var) @60mg/day. will 250mg of test e/week be OK? ( again my concern for low test e is to keep the sides minimal specially mpb, will take aromasin for gyno issue)
3) If i can get away without having to take test and maintain my gains, it wud be great.
stats- 5'8" 27yo, 165lbs,15%bf, no cycle history. 3 to 4 years training on and off. ( yeah I know i need to care of diet more am on it)
1) My belief is that I follow no-fap and no-porn which has no ill effects on the endocrine system or anything. If anything it has positives, as shown thru Anavar (var) ious pubMed studies and my own practive.
2) You belief is that masturbating daily is OK backed by your articles given and daily practice. And that's fine with me.
Let's not argue on this particular topic further. To each it's own.
I'hv come here to take views out of knowledgeable members like you on the topic in my OP.
so now, lets come to the main topic. As others have said and you too agree that, if I don't really need to perform sexual activity during cycle then a limp dick caused by hpta suppression shud not be a cause of concern if I am going to recover out of it during post cycle therapy (pct) and certain time.
Now, I was planning on a Anavar (var) cycle@60mg/day for 6-8 weeks with post cycle therapy (pct) etc. ( stats below) goal is 7-10 lbs muscle while reducing bf by 3-4% in just next 3 months. will be taking care of the proper diet part. My choice of ana Anavar (var) , it being the safest oral. I might be prone to mpb so playing extremely safe. As I have read, test is recommended along with orals and just orals are forbidden.
so follow up question
1) will Anavar (var) only be fine? y do i need test if libido issues doesn't matter on cycle ? Do i need test jst cuz muscle mass from it are more maintainable. Also if muscle is muscle even if u get it from orals or any other compound, then y gains from injectibles are said to be more maintainable?
2) if you suggest test e, how low of it can i do while doing Anavar (var) @60mg/day. will 250mg of test e/week be OK? ( again my concern for low test e is to keep the sides minimal specially mpb, will take aromasin for gyno issue)
3) If i can get away without having to take test and maintain my gains, it wud be great.
stats- 5'8" 27yo, 165lbs,15%bf, no cycle history. 3 to 4 years training on and off. ( yeah I know i need to care of diet more am on it)
DapperSapper
New member
Strong English in this thread.
