If you were me, would you begin TRT?
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Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
What is your e2 level. We want all the blood work. You can get off antidepressants you just think you can't. I guarantee ssri are effecting your body in a negative way. SSNRI and SSRI are big pharma and your docs wet dream. It means $$$$ & $$$$$ to them. What were the symptoms you described to your huckster..I mean doctor before he prescribed that poison?
Spunkey71
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I was on a SSRI for 20 years, within two months of starting TRT my doctor winged me off and here I am now a year later and never felt better, no depression at all. I believe SSRI's also drive your metabolism into the gutter which can lead to weight gain. When you take a step back and look at the bigger picture you may realize that many of your issues are directly related to being on SSRI's, they are a nasty drug and in my opinion over time do more harm than good.
Alpin
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Good point Spunkey71. I had T levels of 580-663 ng/dl natty while taking 20 mg paxil daily. No wood, lower sex drive
Weaning down to 15 mg and with half those T levels I started getting more wood back and libido back
I'd love to dump this poison....
Will need to hit up a holistic doc of some kind.
Weaning down to 15 mg and with half those T levels I started getting more wood back and libido back
I'd love to dump this poison....
Will need to hit up a holistic doc of some kind.
Alpin
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I'm guessing (not speaking for OP) panic, and anxiety attacks as culprit for the medication.
I guess I've spent more time focussing on my levels that were hovering around 300 than the ones around 400. If I wasn't so symptomatic I wouldn't pay as much attention to them.
My symptom list is long, but includes:
-extreme fatigue
-zero sex drive
-night sweats
-difficulty falling and staying asleep
-muscle and joint pain/weakness
-brain fog/inability to concentrate
-extreme muscle soreness
My symptoms have definitely been taking their toll on my relationship, health and work performance.
I agree, low 400's isn't what concerns me, it's the other tests plus my symptoms that have me concerned. The inability of any doctor to find another cause for my symptoms has kinda left me clueless as to what it could be, so I've kinda latched onto less than optimal T as the culprit.
I've been lifting for roughly 17 years, but as my symptoms have become more pronounced I've found it difficult to lift with the intensity that I used to. The soreness that I experience after a workout lasts for a week so I have to be careful to avoid injury and ensure that I can perform my job. The fatigue also keeps me from working out like I used to. I still lift, and always will, it's just been a struggle as of late.
I supplement with zinc, magnesium, high quality fish oil, vitamin E, D, and B. I try to get most of my nutrients from my diet though. I had a sleep study years ago and no abnormalities were found.
Regrettably, E2 is the one thing that I've never had tested. I don't have any physical symptoms of high E2 (I'm hairy, lean, no man boobs, etc.) but it's still something that I'd like to have checked just to eliminate it as a potential cause.
I agree, I'd love to be off the SSRI. I've come off it several times over the years (under the care if my doctor) to see if my symptoms would improve, but no such luck. All I got was my anxiety back.
The reason I started on an SSRI was because of panic attacks. The goal has always been to keep my dose as low as possible. I know they aren't good for me, but I struggle with work performance and personal life when off the Citalopram. For what it's worth, I've always been on a very low dose, hopefully that has minimized any damage to my hormone levels.
That was a goal that I presented to a doctor I met with at a compounding pharmacy. He said that many of his patients end up weaning off SSRIs and sleep aids after starting TRT. Was he just telling me what I wanted to hear? Maybe, but there seems to be some merit to it.
Correct. I began experiencing panic attacks that I was unable to control without medication. Other than the anxiety and difficulty sleeping I've always been a healthy dude, physically and mentally.
Thanks to everyone for the replies to far. I really appreciate the input.
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That's kinda what had me confused. I'm sure SSRIs aren't good for me, but I've always been on such a low dose that it seems odd that it would affect me so much. Maybe I'm just sensitive to them or something, but there are so many people out there taking very large doses without issue.
I'm far from an expert on the matter, but my guess is that the Zolpidem is probably worse for me than the Citalopram. I was experiencing my symptoms before I began taking it, but I'm sure it's not helping them.
I've come off the Zolpidem before as well with no relief from my symptoms, just more issues getting to sleep.
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
You can ween yourself off.
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
Chiefly people experience anxiety it is part of life. I will tell you one more time. The doctor is screwing you over get off those drugs.
I'm getting mad thinking about the hucksters I mean doctors. That must mean I need the doctor to give a pill for that. Also, I was looking at some pictures of attractive women that I'm not married to and my pp moved. Uh oh, must have to ask the doctor for the pill that stops that. Oh wait i have some finasteride and I am sure if I ask nicely op will hook me with some ssris. I'll never have to worry about those pesky boners again
I'm getting mad thinking about the hucksters I mean doctors. That must mean I need the doctor to give a pill for that. Also, I was looking at some pictures of attractive women that I'm not married to and my pp moved. Uh oh, must have to ask the doctor for the pill that stops that. Oh wait i have some finasteride and I am sure if I ask nicely op will hook me with some ssris. I'll never have to worry about those pesky boners again
Alpin
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True!
I mentioned wellbutrin once to my docs...
BOTH of them said "you want it"?
They wrote it on the spot.
One of these docs gave me clomid too. The other wanted no part in it.
Alpin
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Do you think Avodart lowers TT ?
My dad had 750 ng/dl TT at 53 y.o. when doc tested it.
He started getting higher BP from stress at work etc. ..
One thing lead to another then trazodone for sleep then ssri(paxil) for anxiety...
Little by little his T levels came down. A couple years later he had 520 ng/dl TT
Then last fall he had 270 ng/dl TT. ...
He's been on paxol for atleast 8 years ontop of trazodone and avodart.
At one point he had my dad on both seroquel and risperdal to give the depression a "kick".
Family jumped in when we saw all this shit making him sick. Doc got scared and stop prescribing them to him.
The psychiatrist they sent him to said: "why is your doctor giving you all this"?
Take the paxil and stop the rest!
The doc is a disaster. I can go on and on but I'm getting pissed the longer I rehash.
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
Clomid doctor is a keeper!!!
Alpin
New member
He got pissed at me cause I went in for too many labs close together....
Lol.
Felt run down the first couple weeks off HCG restart. Things improved after week 5 of being off.
Alpin
New member
Too bad it aggravates anxiety in doses that work. So it was a bit of a waste for me.
Still have plenty on hand. 30 tabs x 4 repeats.
Lol
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
90 % of modern medicine is toxic. So yes but phsycology is lowering his test too. GMO and yayayayayadaada. It is a synergistic effect.
Psych are worse because they are even more prone to f with your mind. Infact that is exactly what they do.
My doctors work for me. The majority of people are letting them selfs get dicked.
Is he off paxil yet?
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
Can you find a independent lab?
What are you on right now?
What are you on right now?
Alpin
New member
I refuse to go to psychs....
No he's on it still. He clings on to that stuff man.
He listens to that doc.
Alpin
New member
Nothing.
No independent labs here.
He freaked out cause I made copies of the req he gave me and just went in a few more times to see how T levels are coming along. Now I'm stuck. I do feel some improvement though from the real low T(180) I had a month ago.
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
use them. You are giving yourself anxiety. How many labs close together? You seem to possibly worrying a little too much. If you went to a whitecoat you could definetly get one to give you a fun label like hypcondriac and get some SSRIs hahahahaha
Medical Community hahahahahaha
