igf-1 following PCT?

[Iron Giant]

Hey lads,

Today this bloke told me that after he runs his post cycle therapy (pct) he then runs 4 weeks of igf-1 to help with keeping gains. His logic was that igf-1 can actually increase the number of muscle fibers where it is injected. So he injects it post workout (don't remember what dose he said) into whatever muscle group(s) he trained that day. He swears by it, is this bro-science or actually true?

Cheers.

 

[Iron Giant]

Hmmm nobody, eh? I'll air on the side of caution & not take his advice then.

 

[fame2002]

Could certainly help keep some gains after cycle IMO.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

sup man. You are not going to add any muscle fibers but you can increase the size of the ones you have. When you work on muscle groups the fibers become bigger, they don't multiply. If memory serves me correctly the amount of muscle fibers you have in a certain area is determined by :1) genetics, 2) the demand put on certain areas in adolescence and preteen years, 3) nutrition. If ENORMOUS doses of hgh were used than perhaps you could grow more muscle fibers, but I really never saw research supporting this.

IGF-1 is a great thing to use after post cycle therapy (pct) imo. Nolvadex is usually used in post cycle therapy (pct) and studies have shown nolva tanks igf levels. I think igf helps in keeping your gains too as post cycle its easy to go catabolic. So I would say that IGF-1 helps keep muscle fibers big and healthy but does not create new ones.

Double check what I posted, this was largely off of memory and I don't have time to 2x check atm...

 

[mjunkie]

igf lr3 does not need to be injected into the muscle worked, i inject sub-q and i get amazing pumps in whatever muscle i worked

 

[Iron Giant]

Would using igf-1 after PCT add to the "time off" before the next cycle? I have it queued up that after 'time on + PCT' passes it will present a perfect window for a second summer cycle, which would end right before a week vacation to the tropics (I plan in years ).

 

[fame2002]

Would using igf-1 after PCT add to the "time off" before the next cycle? I have it queued up that after 'time on + PCT' passes it will present a perfect window for a second summer cycle, which would end right before a week vacation to the tropics (I plan in years ).

No, no need to extend your off time.

 

[UserAt204]

IGF LR3 is great during and after post cycle. I've used igf a lot, years worth. The theory behind it has always been that Gh passes the liver, resulting in an increase in igf levels and its been thought that IGF will cause the number of cells to increase.

This is a topic that everyone has an opinion but not a definitive answer. Some studies find that IGF has nothing to do with muscle growth and others say it will change you genetically creating new cells.

I don't think synthetic IGF is causing an increase in cells but its just my opinion, if you asked me two years ago I would have said the opposite. Here's what I do know:

1. It's great to use during post cycle therapy (pct). it mentally gives you an edge simply because you are still pinning something.
2. It does held keep some of the better pump you had on cycle and seems to help maintain strength.
3. It's been shown to have some positive effect on the testicles, even if that's only an increase in size, that's still part of recovering.

I use it for 4 weeks during pct, then switch to des for 2 weeks, then nothing for two, then another 4 of lr3. It will help to be able to keep cals high and maintain those new gains but seems to help stay lean with the increased cals.

So I absolutely think IGF LR3 is a great addition to post cycle therapy (pct). you can decide what dose is right for you. I used between 40 and 100mcg at a time daily. But now I think it's best used at least a few hours post w o to allow MGF to do its thing. But either way I've always liked it in pct.

 

[Iron Giant]

So I absolutely think IGF LR3 is a great addition to post cycle therapy (pct). you can decide what dose is right for you. I used between 40 and 100mcg at a time daily. But now I think it's best used at least a few hours post w o to allow MGF to do its thing. But either way I've always liked it in pct.

When using igf, does it matter what I use for post cycle therapy (pct)? I'll be running clomid (100/100/50/50) with Nolva (40/40/20/20) after a test-e only cycle.

 

[Jack Tors]

When using igf, does it matter what I use for post cycle therapy (pct)? I'll be running clomid (100/100/50/50) with Nolva (40/40/20/20) after a test-e only cycle.

I use it during post cycle therapy (pct). HGH, IGF1, other Peptides are the only thing you can take to after completing a cycle. THey help retain gains while your HPTA recovers but nothing is better than Test as far as gains.. If you can get HGH use that too.

 

[gymrat827]

A well planned and run combo of igf lr3 / peg mgf will do quite a bit.

Learn how to run both. They need to be used in sync so they don't cancel each other out

 

[UserAt204]

Like the fellas said, peptides are a great addition to cycle and post cycle therapy (pct).

If you can get real gh, which there is not much around, some of the materials needed to make it aren't available.

Honestly my friend used ostarine only for post cycle therapy (pct) after test/tren/var from Osta gain. I gave him a full post cycle therapy (pct) and he decided to use only the Osta and did very well. I wouldn't do that, but would run it during or after post cycle therapy (pct). I prefer toremefene to clomid.

Also a ghrp/ghrh is a good addition.
So no it doesn't matter what you are using as far as a serm. You might need a very small dose of Aromatase inhibitor (AI). As mentioned mgf is good with igf but you need to time it right.

SRC may be a bit more expensive but his peptides are the strongest I've used. GW5105 is pretty good. You get an almost instant boost in energy, actually more like endurance. You just feel like you can lift forever but that's not good in post cycle therapy (pct) and it speeds up metabolism
So you won't want that in post cycle therapy (pct). my buddy ran it with tren, looked great but the week of his strongman comp it was so hot he basically felt like he had heatstroke while inside. I think the tren and GW had his metabolism going and was running hot but he had abs for the first time, gained 20lbs, and cut bf by a lot, but had to miss the comp. I'm off track now.

 

[size_matters]

Sorry to bump an old thread but what is the longest recomended time to run IGF1LR3? because I have 6mg, was planing on running 50mcg ED for the rest of my cycle right up to after post cycle therapy (pct) is done...
Thanks

 

[scientific nick]

I've just purchased some and I've read many reports of hyperplasia. I'll let you know, next time I do a census, after my cycle.

 

[vincenzo]

I made a thread in the 'peptide science' section about using Nolva & IGF LR3 together, but no responses yet..

Im keen to see if IGF-1 LR3 should be used after or during a Nolva post cycle therapy (pct). If anyone has experience, chime in, thanks!

 

[scientific nick]

I made a thread in the 'peptide science' section about using Nolva & IGF LR3 together, but no responses yet..

Im keen to see if IGF-1 LR3 should be used after or during a Nolva post cycle therapy (pct). If anyone has experience, chime in, thanks!

I'm about to start IGF-1 LR3 and clomid and nolva.